Welcome to the Agenda Fluid show.
Just want to point out that you may have seen or heard other podcasts, but this one is where both of the cool kids hang out.
I'm Ben.
I'm Donovan.
I'm not sure I would say that we're necessarily cool kids.
We can say whatever we want to say.
Yeah, that's true.
We're not inciting violence.
That is true.
And what's true in my head is true.
Well, I can't argue with that.
So, this is it.
It's the coolest fucking spot on the internet.
Of course.
You should be.
I wouldn't be here.
Otherwise, why hang out if it's not the coolest spot on the internet?
All right.
I can go with that.
Although it would be cooler if I could get one of those premium domains.
I'm just learning what a premium domain is.
What do you classify as a premium domain?
I can't register it at DreamHost.
So, what's a premium domain?
That's what I wanted to ask him.
There's nothing in DreamHost's help files about it.
So, I went to Cloudflare.
I was like, hey, I want this domain.
Because DreamHost is offering a free dot space.
I thought, well, free is free.
Yeah.
So, I was like, oh, okay.
Well, how about my dot space?
And it's like, no, this is registered.
Of course it is.
I tried a few others.
They're registered.
So, I went back for some reason just a few minutes ago and I thought, what about Hackerspace?
Oh, that's a premium domain.
You can't register it here.
I'm like, okay, where can I register it?
So, I went to Cloudflare and I can register it at Cloudflare.
How much?
$5,000 renews for $10,000.
Yep.
Sounds about right.
Studio Space is also another premium domain.
Maybe it's because it's a common word.
Could be.
I don't know.
I could register that one for $2,500.20 and it renews for $5,000.20.
So, that would make it cooler.
Yeah, I just Googled what makes a domain premium.
And, of course, the AI overview, ever so helpful.
Desirable and valuable web address that is typically short, memorable, and keyword rich.
Used for strong branding, SEO, and direct traffic generation.
No shit.
I don't think that's what these are.
I just, you know, the words fuck that came into mind.
So, now I'm going to go see if I can use that free credit.
To register something else.
Just, yeah.
I'm going to type fuck this space.
Oh, boy.
Oh, you know what?
This dot space.
Oh, it's a premium domain.
It cannot be registered here.
Huzzah.
It's available.
For how much?
$1.49.
Are you kidding me?
This dot space.
No, no.
Fuck this dot space.
Oh.
This dot space was a premium domain.
But fuck this dot, okay.
Fuck this dot space.
Because I was going to do fuck as a subdomain.
So, you would have had this dot space, and you could have just had a subdomain of fuck dot this dot space.
Yep.
That would have been, that would have been cool.
Yeah, because you could have done all kinds of stuff like make dot this, you know, f dot this, other than just fuck dot, if you wanted to go a little less crass, I guess.
But, I mean, the fun's in the crassness, right?
Yeah.
I am the proud owner of fuck this dot space.
And then what are you going to do with it?
Probably redirect it to agendafluid.com.
There you go.
It costs me nothing right now.
Yeah.
So.
Okay, that is pretty funny.
And I don't have any swear words in any other domain names.
I don't think I do either.
I used to have one.
I don't, I guess I'd let it expire.
They used to have a saying back on the Unix team, when you made a mistake, or when somebody just continually makes mistakes, you tell them, you need to suck less.
So I've registered a domain, I was going to put a, like a forum behind it.
Mm-hmm.
It was sucklessmoreoften.com.
Sucklessmoreoften.com.
Yeah.
Oh, that would have been a great forum site.
Yeah.
I guess I'd let it go.
Oh, man.
Man.
I've been trying to get broadbanddigest.com off the ground, but I post stuff in there, but.
Nobody grabbed it.
It's available.
Sucklessmoreoften.com.
So it's not, it wasn't even snatched up by one of the companies that sit on it?
Nope.
Oh.
I'm not going to, I'm not going to register it, though.
Yeah.
I know it's going to go stale.
I'm not going to fucking do anything.
You know, buy it and redirect it over to broadbanddigest.com.
Because I'm trying to make that site more than just broadband.
It covers broadband, cellular, TV shows, podcasts.
It's just, you know, but we'll see.
I'm just, I mean, I paid my $60 for my Zenforo license upgrade.
So I'm going to sit there for a year and do something with it.
I mean, it's my place where I bitch about TruVista.
You have an error.
What in the hell?
So it's still the grub problem.
I haven't looked at this log, but probably.
But the Ubuntu installation failed, same point.
That's weird.
It also imports the, one of the hard disk temperatures, it reports at 99 Celsius.
Celsius.
That's hot.
I don't think, I should smell it at that point, but I don't think that's right.
Well, not only that, but if you were to touch it, you would know it.
Yeah.
I mean, it's warm, but it's not that hot.
Seems like the one commonality here is Debian.
Because if you tried Ubuntu and it failed, elementary OS is, yep, it's based on Ubuntu.
Which by extension is based on Debian.
Yeah.
So.
That could be it.
I'll throw Fedora on there.
Maybe the Fedora installer.
Slackware, man.
I don't know.
I've got, I've got a folder with Linux distros.
Mm-hmm.
And there's 28 different distributions that I've got some sort of, like shit I don't remember.
There's one called Magia, M-A-G-E-I-A.
Sounds familiar.
Open filer.
Sounds like a TrueNAS thing.
You ever tried, you ever tried Pop! OS?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's, uh.
Oracle Linux?
Never tried it?
I'm not sure I'd want to.
The, the timestamp on this file is January 20th, 2013.
Oh yeah, it's definitely out of date.
It probably wouldn't know what to do with modern hardware.
What is this?
Well, I don't have modern hardware.
Well, that's true.
Maybe that's what you need.
Because, because the, the BIOS date on this thing is 2015.
Yeah.
And I've got Ubuntu ISOs from 9.10 to current.
I don't know why I've kept these.
Wow.
Yeah.
Because they're, they're on 24 right now.
24.04.
Yeah.
Because that's the server version I use for my Plex server.
And then that's, that's what I was trying to do for the desktop on that Dell OptiPlex 3020.
But yeah, I would click on the install.
It would go through the motions.
And then the install, it's, it's like little drive icons on the left-hand side would show
up unmounted.
And then the installation would just go away and sit there at the desktop.
And I'm like, well, maybe I need to give it a little while.
Walked out, come back a few minutes later.
It was still sitting there.
Well, this was running Ubuntu server.
I don't know, probably, probably 2004.
Because I had it as a test kind of thing.
I'm monitoring node inside one of the client networks.
But I didn't want to keep that.
I wanted the desktop so I could display the status monitor.
Mm-hmm.
But oh well.
You can always put windows on it.
No.
You'll find a distro that'll work on it, I'm sure.
Unless there is something else hardware-wise, like the controller is malfunctioning or something.
Because it doesn't make sense to me that you change out the drive and it still fails.
Yeah, it fails the same point.
I almost threw the old drive out, but I, of course, the data says that things only been on for nine months.
So, I don't know.
It's not a big deal.
I did move the TV up because it was about right there.
Mm-hmm.
But I moved it up because I wanted to see my electrical and network.
Yeah.
This wall was planned before the bookcases went up and the TV was supposed to be a little bit lower, but I'm just going to have to, fuck it, I'm not staying in this room.
No, you're going upstairs.
I'm going upstairs.
Eventually.
One day.
Yeah.
Yeah, I've got to, I've got to pay my son and one of his friends to haul lumber up there one day.
That's, that's been my barrier to, to beginning.
Getting the wood up there.
Yeah, it's good.
Well, spending the grand on the subfloor, but then getting all the, like, 17 pieces upstairs.
I don't want to do that shit.
I wouldn't either.
It's the reason why I wait until Tyler's here.
Well, I've, I've imagined this long chain hoist that goes from the ground outside to the window up there.
Mm-hmm.
That's, that would take me longer to put that together than to just pay two kids, two able-bodied teenagers.
Yeah, it's not like you're trying to get a piano through up there.
Yeah.
A piano, I mean, if I had piano money.
Yeah.
It would just be craned in.
Yeah.
I don't have piano money.
I have just cheap-ass musical keyboard money.
Oh, yeah.
I have the hand-me-down, the keyboard we, we got our daughter, fuck, probably 20 years ago.
Mm-hmm.
I've got one in here that I think my dad gave Devin as he was learning to play.
It's in here somewhere.
Yeah.
I've been threatening to pull it out and start plunking on it, but.
Yeah.
I wouldn't get a piano, though.
I'd get a pool table.
Yes.
But I don't have pool table money either.
No.
That's almost like piano money.
Yes.
To get a good regulation, proper pool table.
Yeah.
And also to have it craned in.
It's pretty fucking expensive, I'm sure.
Yeah.
Actually, I think that one, you'd, yeah, you'd have to build it.
You can't get that through a window.
The window doesn't have to be there right now.
I've got the fucking wall out.
Yeah.
I think they would probably bring that thing up in pieces and build it.
Okay.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I just want my office.
Well, work on it.
Stop procrastinating.
Yeah.
Says the procrastinator in chief.
I do procrastinate, but I also hate spending money.
Uh-huh.
But.
Yeah.
That's the reason why I haven't got my iPhone 17 Pro Max yet.
I'm just waiting.
I'm going to get the 24 Max.
With, what would that be, you reckon, iOS 30?
Well, if they do it every year and we're on 17.
Well, that's the iPhone model.
That's what I was.
We're on iOS 26.
We're on 26.
And so they do iOS versions every year, just right along with the, with the phones.
So 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 would be seven.
So seven plus 26 would be iOS, uh, 33.
Can I math?
So is that, so 20, 33 is when I probably will finally break down and get a new phone?
Probably.
I don't know.
That'd be before then.
Probably.
They'll probably have the, um, how did this turn into the tech show?
I don't know.
We're just, we're just bullshitting.
The agenda is quite fluid.
It very, yes, it is.
It is.
Um, well, they'll probably, they'll have the folding phone next year.
I hope they don't all fold.
No, no, no, no, no.
They'll, they'll have one, uh, MKBHD said that he's pretty confident that the iPhone air is
their test to see how thin they can actually get a phone so that when they can make a folding
phone, just like Samsung does so that when it's folded, it's as thick as say like an iPhone
17 pro or pro max is.
But the individual sections have to be half as thin or half as thick, I guess, however
you want to say it.
I don't give a shit.
If it's 10 millimeters in my pocket, it still fits.
Yeah.
I mean.
I'm still not interested in a, in a folding phone.
I bet if Apple makes a folding phone, it's just going to look great though.
Oh, it's going to.
And it's going to cost $2,000.
It's not going to have that discoloration around the, uh, about the, the folding part of the
screen.
Mm-hmm.
It's just going to unfold and look like a pane of glass.
Probably.
I mean, they will.
I'm not going to buy one because it's going to be pricey.
Oh yeah.
I mean, even the one from, the one from Google and the one from Samsung are all like $1,800
to $2,000.
Oh yeah.
So there's no way I'm not doing that.
Give me two.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
Let me buy one for me and my wife.
No.
I'm, I mean, I'm disgusted at the prices of phones now, but $1,800.
I don't spend that on a single computer.
No, no, I don't either.
I mean, $1,199 for an iPhone 17 Pro Max is still pushing it for me, but.
God damn, that's a, that's a, that's a front door.
Hell, that's a, that's actually a refrigerator.
That's an expensive front door.
This is, yeah, it's a very expensive front door, but that could be some type of appliance.
My.
Dude, my dishwasher didn't cost that much.
My vertical, my vertical freezer was right at $1,000 that we bought a couple of years ago
after the other one died on us.
So yeah, it's like an, an appliance, not a, uh, updraft stove.
Those are about five grand, but.
Yeah.
The reason why I haven't replaced ours.
So, you know, one of my clients is a, um, a nonprofit and they were building their new facility
and somebody donated or offered a Wolf gas stove.
I am not familiar with Wolf.
That's because nobody fucking has one.
They're that goddamn expensive.
Oh.
Four or five, four or five grand just for a gas range.
Wow.
They turned it down because they weren't going to do gas.
No gas.
Why?
And I thought, uh, I'll give you a thousand bucks for it.
I'll make a donation if I can take it home.
Oh my God.
I just looked these things up.
I've never looked them up.
I just heard like they're commercial grade.
Yeah.
And that's rich people's shit.
Yeah.
I mean, 36 inch gas range with four burners and an infrared griddle.
$9,000.
Fancy.
Yeah.
They have a 48 inch.
Oh, this one's a wide one.
48 inch stainless steel pro style natural gas range.
It's actually looks like it's got two ovens, like a full size oven and then a smaller one.
I don't know if maybe that's a warming oven or whatever.
Yeah.
14, 14,000.
Yeah.
That's, that's, uh, that's the big dick you swing around when you have people over one night.
I swear if somebody's going to give me a $5,000 or so, I don't give a shit if it's gas because gas is about to be going in my house for this thing.
That's nuts.
Yeah.
You can get a pre-owned for $1,500.
Oh.
30 inch.
Plus 90% off now if it's been in somebody's house already.
I guess.
It's a 30 inch, it's a smaller one, pre-owned, in stock.
Where the hell is this company?
Revolves.
I've never even heard of this place.
I never looked it up.
I just heard about it.
Oh, it's out of stock.
It's normally for a grand, but it's out of stock, so you can't get it.
No Wolf gas range for you.
Yeah.
I wasn't going to buy one.
Yeah.
I mean, because now I'm, I'm thinking seriously, we got to rebuild our deck.
So now I'm thinking of, of actually investing in the, uh, composite material.
Yeah.
That's, that's, that's a hard sell, but it's, it's probably worth it.
Yeah.
I think, uh, I got to remember the company is the one they advertise timber, something or
another, I think is the name of it, but you can go online and you can actually put in, okay,
this is the size of the deck and all of that.
And it will then tell you, it'll give you a good estimate of how many boards you need and
all of that.
And I believe last time I did that, it was going to run me about four or five grand to
rebuild that deck with that, or about a thousand dollars to actually build it back, rebuild it
with the same wood that it's using right now.
I'm probably going with a thousand dollars.
Yeah.
I got to do something out back.
We have, we have steps and then fucking nothing.
There's no cover.
There's just nothing.
Yeah.
Um, I don't know if, if I, if I thought I was going to be here another 25 years, I might
splurge and get, get the composite, but I don't, I don't want to.
Well, the only problem, oh, it's timber tech.
That's it.
Um, if I had, this is my own fault.
If I had taken better care of the deck, like treated it every two or three years, because
we put Thompson's water seal on it right after we moved here.
One time.
That was it.
I never, I never sealed it, treated it again.
For the next 20 years, if it's just been out on its own.
Yeah.
Pretty, pretty much 20 years.
And it started falling apart about three years ago.
Hmm.
Yeah.
I built the deck on the house in Adel and, you know, did the stain with the water seal.
Mm-hmm.
And I ended up having to replace one board along the way.
I think I did, um, recode it at some point, but, I don't know, it's somebody else's problem
now.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I built, I built a deck back when we lived in Fitzgerald.
I built one that was about three feet off the ground, kind of like the one we have here.
And, uh, probably had it for a couple of years.
And then I just got a bug up my ass one day and I was like, I don't like this deck.
Cause I was learning how to build stuff at the time, so I didn't build it the way it
needed to be built.
So I tore it all down and we rebuilt it on the ground, not, not directly on the ground.
I mean, we used like pavers just to actually, and then, so, and then built some steps.
So instead of previously, you'd walk out the back door and you'd walk right onto the deck.
Once we rebuilt it, you'd walk out and step down three steps and you'd be on the deck.
And we wound up liking the lower one better.
I looked here at doing that here.
I've pretty much decided I don't want a lower deck.
I want it to say the height it is because of our privacy fence.
At least when I'm on the deck, I can look over the privacy fence and see who's on the
road or whatever.
But if it's on the ground, then the privacy fence is also keeping me private from being
able to see anything else.
So, and plus the frames already there, as far as we can tell, the frame is in good
condition.
The only thing that's fucked up are the, uh, five quarter decking boards.
They're just rotting.
Yeah.
So.
Because they lay flat and they hold water.
Yeah.
And when you don't seal them, like I did, like I said, I didn't do.
And you, you, you get what you, what you take care of.
Yeah.
But I love the way this timber tech stuff looks.
It's just, God damn, it's expensive.
Yeah.
I just don't buy it.
That's what I do.
Just don't, don't do anything.
I got to, because my deck is becoming a, uh, uh, a safety hazard.
Well.
My mental health is becoming a safety hazard.
And so Beth has said, I, I should just go ahead and bite it and build the shop.
Build the shop.
You're supposed to build a shop.
Yeah.
Like a proper metal building on a pad.
Yeah.
But everybody I talked to has built one.
All we, every fucking one of them say, I should have built it bigger.
Should have got the bigger one.
So.
Fuck.
I'm, I'm looking at a 40 by 60 inside with each 60 foot side has a 20 foot covered
shelter on it.
It's a goddamn warehouse.
Yeah.
I was going to say.
So, you know, empty.
So the pad and the empty buildings, probably a hundred thousand dollars.
Yeah.
Cause this building I'm in here is basically a 25 by 25.
Yeah.
I could fit your little building inside my shop.
Yeah.
Wow.
So.
I mean, it's bigger than the house.
Well, bigger footprint anyway.
I don't know what.
No.
Yeah.
20 by 40 or no.
40 by 60.
I can't do that math right now.
It gives me a pretty good idea of the size though, because our old block house over on
the property that I sold in Fitzgerald was 50 by 30, something like that.
So I know how, so I've got a pretty good.
Yeah.
Picture of how big that would be.
Yeah.
It'd be nice.
What would you do in there though?
Everything.
Hmm.
I'd build a loft in two of the corners.
Mm-hmm.
Storage.
And under one of those lofts would be my office.
That's what I was wondering.
And then one corner would be for metalworking, another corner for woodworking.
Yeah.
And then storage everywhere.
You know, put the tractor in there and the four-wheeler and the mowers and all the shit
that I've got sitting out in the weather.
You can do pretty good office space in those things.
Back in the 90s, back when I worked for Colony Telephone, which was also a Radio Shack dealership,
he added on because we became the Altel certified installation center for South Georgia, basically.
Troy and I actually went for a week and trained in Albany at the actual main office for Altel
Cellular.
And so the building that Radio Shack was in was already a metal building.
So the shell itself was a metal building.
And then, you know, they went in and did all the sheetrock and everything else so you could
make it a storefront.
And so what he did is he added on, if you're facing the building, he added on to the right.
He went about, it was probably about two-thirds the depth of the main building.
And on the front, he put a singular door to walk in and then a roll-up door because, you
know, it was just open space.
We pulled cars in.
We did cellular phone installs because, you know, that's back in the day when you actually
mounted the stuff in the car.
Or if someone had like a Motorola bag phone, then they would put it, you know, we would install
an antenna, run it up under the seat so they could just put their bag there, put the little
pedestal mount so they could hook the phone and all of that.
Well, as time went on and cell phones started getting smaller and smaller and people didn't
want bag phones and they didn't want to put, they definitely didn't want them installed
in their cars anymore.
We had less and less need of that open space.
And what we needed was office space.
So he converted that entire building, that section into offices.
To begin with, there was just one small little office at the back that was his, but he had
a buddy that was in construction and came in.
And I think over the course of about two or three weeks, maybe a month from beginning to
end, put up sheetrock walls, well, studded walls, put up the sheetrock, put in all of
the stuff for the drop-in ceiling, the sealatex.
And then had a company come in, I think, and install the carpet and did all the AC stuff.
And man, you're talking about probably the cheaper way to make an office.
And it was still that way whenever I left in 97.
And well, actually it was still that way when he sold the business, all that office space.
Because I remember where my office was in the middle.
He had moved his down to the very end and had to make a window, took the rollout door section
and I think put in a big window.
But it's amazing the number, you know, the number of churches around here that you see
that they will build.
I know the Church of God over in Osceola has done this way.
They will build this huge metal frame with the concrete pad and everything.
And then they'll put a brick facade on the front.
Yeah.
To make it look like really, really nice.
And then build out the rest of the inside.
But the initial framing of it, the shell itself, is one of these metal buildings.
Have you seen the boot store on Carpenter?
Yeah.
It's done the same way.
Yeah.
I noticed that.
I've been by there a couple of times.
One of their access points is just hard drive magnets.
Hey, if it works.
It worked.
Oh, God, yeah.
Yep.
It's still up there.
It's been up there a couple of years now.
Wow.
Some of the crazy things, man.
That's like, I, real quick, I have right behind me, you can't see, but I have a client's
Ubiquiti Wi-Fi 6LR that I, I don't know, he's probably never going to, I'm going to do some
trading with him probably.
I disconnected my 5, well, actually it's a, not a 5, it's a Ubiquiti Lite, but it's not
Wi-Fi 6.
This one's Wi-Fi 6.
So I disconnected that one.
I reconfigured this one and then just set it up on top of the bookshelf back here to give
me Wi-Fi 6.
And since it's a long range, because I was running into an issue of not being able to get signal
when I got down to the end of my driveway.
So I was like, and it's the client, it's the client that's having trouble getting internet
into his new location.
So, you know, you know which one I'm talking about.
So yeah, I'm just using it.
It's just, it's just sitting back there hanging out.
Yeah.
I'll upgrade mine when a client upgrades theirs.
Yeah.
I run on hand-me-downs.
Well, this one requires so much power that my, my eight port, uh, Unify switch, I went
to plug it into its POE, uh, one of the four POE ports, cause it's a four POE, but a total
of, of eight ports on it.
This is a POE plus requirement.
I went to plug it in and I got it up in the dashboard and it said, Hey, you ain't got enough
power.
So it's got a, uh, it's got actually a POE injector that's got enough power, which is
how it was powered at the other location.
But, you know, my thinking was, Hey, I'll just plug it into this POE.
Oh, that's right.
This motherfucker takes a lot of power.
So.
Yes.
Onto the agenda that isn't written.
Actually, I have a complete three page.
Fucking let's get started though.
I just, I didn't do it all on my own though.
I'm not going to follow it necessarily, but the reason why I, I told you earlier today that
I thought a good, a good topic might be to discuss free speech, especially in, in light
of what happened with Jimmy Kimmel.
And then what really sparked it for me was the fact that YouTube apparently, um, during the
COVID time period and, uh, the 2020 cancellation period.
Yeah.
The whole cancellation period.
There were certain channels that they shut down and they're bringing those back, uh, because
they said they shut them down in error because they had been pressured by the previous administration
to do so, which got me to thinking the query I had for you was free speech versus hate speech
versus harmful speech.
Okay.
And did you go refresh yourself with the first amendment?
I did.
Okay.
So I've got it up.
If you want me to read it or do you want to read it?
It's really short.
Go ahead.
Okay.
So the first amendment, which is part of the bill of rights, which if anybody doesn't
understand the first 10 amendments, the first 10 amendments to the constitution are the bill
of rights.
Everything after that is not part of the bill of rights.
So that's for clarity.
The first amendment says, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress
of grievances.
So in essence, that means that you have the right to express yourself, whether that's constant,
actually, whether that's verbally or even physically to a point.
Like interpretive dance, you mean?
Well, yeah, it could be, honestly, it could be that.
Yeah.
And the funny thing is, is there's a lot of people that misunderstand what the first
amendment actually means.
We had an instance where we were dealing with some stuff in one of our Facebook groups and
we were putting the kibosh on certain things and people started screaming, it's, it's my first
amendment right to be able to say, no, it's, no, it's not because we're not the government.
Right.
You know, that's the reason why social media platforms such as Facebook, Twitter,
slash X, Blue Sky, any of them, YouTube, they have the right to police the content as they
see fit according to, and I mean, if they're ethical and honorable, they'll do it based on
their terms of service that you agree to whenever you sign up for the service.
And a lot of people will still bitch and moan about the fact that their first amendment
right is being violated.
No, the only time their first amendment right would be violated is if the government, which
apparently is what the Biden administration looks like it did.
Indirectly.
Indirectly pressured Alphabet slash YouTube to pull these channels off of their service.
And again, these were channels that were dealing with COVID-19 and the 2020 election,
and they were considered misinformation.
That is, and in, in essence, what happened with Jimmy Kimmel, when you look at the fact that
the FCC chairman kind of made veil threats, that, that was going, that was stepping over the
line too.
I agree.
But like for, as, as an example, I was terminated from a job that I'd had for 13 years because
of something that I said in a public forum on a podcast that I had recorded in 2012.
And so the owners of the company that I worked for heard what I said and decided that I was just
no longer a good fit for the company.
And that's the reason why I was terminated.
And I had no first amendment case in that particular instance.
Now, if they had, if they had fired me for, let's say I expressed atheistic, uh, talking points
or something like that, and I could have proven that they had done that, then that would have
been a completely different, that would have been an EEOC issue because that, that, that's
not a first amendment issue.
That's, uh, even though we're in the state of Georgia, which is a, a four calls, uh, not,
not a four calls.
It's an at will.
That's what I was, yeah.
They can fire you for, you know, they can look at you and go, you're wearing purple today.
I told you not to wear a purple and fire you.
It's asinine, but it is what it is.
So I didn't have a first amendment case because they had the right to fire me and they did.
And so a lot of the things that we've been seeing over the last couple of weeks where
people have made some expressive remarks on social media have found themselves in some
hot water.
Some people have lost their jobs over it.
Again, not a first amendment issue, but what got me to thinking about this was the fact that
these channels are going to be brought back.
So we have in principle, here's what you have with free speech.
You have the broad right to express thoughts, opinions, and beliefs without government censorship.
Right.
In practice, it's not, it's not absolute because there's already limitations in the law, like
inciting a violence, uh, true threats, libel, um, even obscenity to a certain point, which I
I find that one a little, eh, maybe not, but then we have, we have hate speech.
Now, what do you, what would you consider hate speech?
Something that is, uh, yeah, I don't know.
It's hard to define, but something said against a, a particular group of people that, um, uh,
I don't know, I, you, you're allowed to have opinions.
You are.
And you're allowed to say whatever you want to say, but I guess hate speech would be something
that, um, that, that binds people together in a negative fashion towards a group of people.
Yeah, that's, that's pretty much it.
The common definition that I found is speech that attacks, demeans, or discriminates against
people based on characteristics like race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity.
Um, and then there's the legal nuance in the U.S., which says that most hate speech is still
protected under the first amendment unless it crosses into the incitement, direct threats,
or harassment.
And then you have what we've been seeing, the social effect, even though it's legal, it can
contribute to, uh, stigma, uh, division, uh, emboldens violence, you know, against, uh, specific
targeted groups.
Yeah.
So that's basically, yeah, you, you, you were, you were right in there.
Now, what do you, what would you classify as harmful speech then?
I already had a thought about this, but then whenever I, I basically queried our assistant
and said, this is what I'm looking for.
Give me some ideas.
I was like, oh, I never thought of it this way.
So what do you, what do you, what do you think is harmful speech?
Um, I mean, I guess it depends on who experiences the harm.
Is it misinformation that leads people to believe the wrong thing?
Is it, I mean, is it outright lies?
Yeah.
Or, or is it, uh, attacking an individual?
It's considered a broader category than hate speech.
Um, it may not target, uh, identity groups, but it will cause real world harm.
For example, you hit on some of it, misinformation, false health claims, election lies, harassment.
That's bullying, doxing.
Uh, then of course, dangerous advice like encouraging self-harm or reckless behavior.
So the distinction could be looked at as hate speech is based on what's said and who it targets.
Harmful speech is based on what it does and the effects it creates.
As an example, one that I immediately think of is our illustrious leader during his first term when COVID hit, he stood up there and basically made comments, to paraphrase here, about injecting bleach into our bodies.
That, I would consider harmful speech.
Now, I would like to think that people are intelligent and smart enough not to do that kind of nonsense, but that is, that could be harmful because that literally could kill you.
It could weed out the dumbasses.
I mean, that's, that's a fair point.
It's a fair point.
So if you wanted to summarize it, you could say hate speech is about identity.
Harmful speech is about outcome.
Um, and sometimes they do overlap, like when, uh, for instance, racist slurs both target a group.
And then that also fuels real world harm, but not all harmful speech is hate speech.
And not all hate speech, of course, is legally punishable.
Even though we do have, we have what's called hate crime laws in this country.
Yeah.
And that really depends on what they decide the motive is.
That's true.
I mean, you could, you could, you could drag a guy out of his car and beat him to death because he didn't turn on his blinker.
But if he was also gay, they could just say you killed him because he's gay.
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
I just had this thing against people who, um, don't obey common traffic decency.
You cut me off at that light.
I'm going to kill you.
So, we could say free speech.
It's protected, even if it's unpopular.
Comedian making fun of politicians with edgy jokes.
Protected by the government.
Yeah.
It's protected from government interference.
Right.
So, someone can criticize government policy in harsh terms.
The government is not supposed to be able to retaliate.
A protester holding a sign that says taxation is theft or fuck the government or fuck Trump or any of that.
The government is not supposed to have the legal authority to do anything to you for that.
That does not mean that if your boss sees that and thinks that that's a bad look for the company, he's well within his rights to terminate your employment.
I agree.
Hate speech.
You could have a rally where speakers use racial or religious slurs.
Call a group subhuman.
He literally had a gentleman in question that lost his life two weeks ago make those types of statements against black women saying that they were not intelligent.
If you have a student that's shouting homophobic insult to classmates or flyers posted saying, you know, keep blacks out of our town or keep Jews out of our town or keep any group out of our town.
That is considered, that is hate speech, but it is still legally protected in the United States until it becomes a threat.
And then your more dangerous impact for harmful speech, a viral Facebook post that could say, I don't know, telling diabetics to stop taking insulin and drink herbal tea instead.
You know, I thought that one was kind of funny.
It was like, OK, so and you see a lot of this on TV.
They don't tell you not to do this, but they're like, hey, this herb that was discovered in the in the Himalayas and thought to be extinct for thousands of years.
And we've we've we've been able to cultivate it and you can put it on your skin and suddenly it cures cancer, you know, and you don't have to worry about going to your oncologist anymore because this is all you need.
Yeah, I would call that harmful.
Yeah.
But I mean, I go so far as to say when religious people make the case that they're just going to.
And this has happened more than once where a child was sick and they needed actual medical attention.
But the parents decided that they were just going to solve it with prayer and then the child dies.
Yeah.
You know, that's harmful.
It's an expression.
It's an expression, but it's not it's not really even speech.
It's just what we've decided to do.
Yeah.
Well, that's the reason why I brought that in is it's it's an it's not speech, but it is an expression.
And so it's still harmful.
I would just say it's neglect.
Oh, that's true, too.
In that instance, it's just a child neglect.
You know, I don't think they're as popular now as they once were.
But on YouTube, you had a lot of these channels that were all just about pranks.
And so, you know, a YouTuber encouraging people to try the choke challenge, which could lead to injuries, could be considered harmful speech because people could literally physically be harmed or die.
Louis C.K. would be guilty of the same thing.
One of his specials.
He's like, you know, you you you don't really have to do anything you don't want to do.
You could just kill yourself.
It's like you you got to renew your license.
You got to go down to the DMV.
No, you don't.
You just kill yourself.
Oh, God.
So, I mean, but that was comedy.
That was.
Yeah, that was funny.
But I mean, if you take it literally, I think it's.
I think it's your fault.
If you if your suicide note said Louis C.K.
told me to do this, then you just didn't get the joke.
Right.
That reminds me, though, it's not necessarily about free speech, hate speech and harmful speech.
But the the fact that it's a.
Attempted suicide is illegal.
Suicide is not because it's probably illegal if they could find a way to prosecute your dead ass.
Yeah.
I was going to say, yeah, because how can they prosecute you if you're dead?
So what's the what's the typical sentence for somebody guilty of attempted suicide?
Well, I don't think you go to prison, but you do go to the you get a straitjacket for a little while while they go and, you know, do a mental health check on you.
Well.
Yeah, I don't know it.
It's it's case by case for for harmful speech.
Yeah.
You know, somebody just makes something some random thing make if they make it look like it's a good idea, then.
I don't know.
Well, there's a.
Park analogy that is in this thing that I was reading, and it's called the neighborhood park analogy.
It says, look, as free speech is the park itself.
Everybody's allowed in and everybody can bring their own picnic.
They can play their music.
They can hold a sign.
That's the idea of open expression.
Hate speech is where someone comes in and spray start spray painting slurs on the park benches.
So it's targeting certain people who also use the park.
And while the act may might be technically expression, it makes the space less welcoming.
Then you have the analogy for harmful speech is someone shouting bad directions that cause kids to trip on the playground or spread rumors that the water fountain is poisoned so that people will stop drinking from it.
And the words directly cause damage, fear or danger.
And so then where they overlap is you get a person with a megaphone yelling hateful slurs and telling people to attack certain park goers.
And so that's when the spray paint basically gets lit on fire, both identity targeting and actively harmful.
Okay.
So.
Yeah, I mean, I can agree with that.
So a summary for that would be free speech is the park.
Hate speech is the graffiti on the walls.
Harmful speech is when someone uses words like weapons hurting people directly.
The tough question for society is how do we keep the park open without letting it be overrun with fire and vandalism?
Maybe the community gets together and beats that guy's ass.
Yeah.
I would rather have that go down than spend half a million dollars in court costs and debate whether he was a shitbag.
Yeah.
I guess the reason why I'm hung up on the difference between hate speech and harmful speech and then even free speech is, is like I said, it got me to thinking about all of the COVID-19 misinformation that we had.
And all of the various channels on YouTube and social media and whatever that were just out here perpetuating all of this, what I would personally consider harmful information.
You know, you don't, don't take the vaccine.
Take ivermectin.
Yeah.
Take ivermectin instead.
You know, the, uh, the whole 2020 was stolen.
Um, election was stolen.
You know, it, that, that becomes harmful when you start having the, the different ideologies can, can literally start getting physical with one another.
Less so probably about that one, but definitely when it comes to, I mean, we just, we've got a good example.
Now the Trump administration came out this week and said, there is a causal link, which is untrue because they're using one damn study.
There's a causal link between acetaminophen, i.e. Tylenol, when women are pregnant and they take it and autism.
To me, that is harmful speech because even, even the rest of the doctors are coming out and saying, uh, no.
No, you're actually going to cause more harm by telling pregnant women not to take Tylenol, which is the safest thing for a pregnant woman to take for fevers and headaches and what have you while she's, while she's carrying.
But we have the, the top person in the country saying, well, number one, he can't, he can't pronounce acetaminophen.
We can't, I've never, I, I didn't hear any of the speech.
Yeah, he, oh God, I wish I had that sound clip.
It's, it's fucking hilarious.
He starts to pronounce it and then he's like, I said, okay, let's see how we pronounce this.
And he stumbles all over it.
That's all right.
Bush couldn't say nuclear.
That's true.
Oh, don't worry.
I used to, uh, I used to work with someone who couldn't say cellular.
I'm pretty sure they could.
How did they get through that one?
Cellular.
Oh.
It was instead of cellular, cellular.
Okay.
I knew what they meant.
Yeah.
They, they did the little English thing on it.
Yeah.
So I don't know, but I think that's harmful speech.
But the thing is, do we actually have any laws on the books?
I don't know the answer to this, that you can prosecute somebody over harmful speech.
I mean, I guess you have to prove that maybe not necessarily prosecute them over the harmful speech, but the repercussions of what they said.
I.e., if they tell somebody to inject bleach into their body and they become deathly ill, you know, what, what statute is that actually under that charges brought against the individual?
I mean, if a doctor does it, that's malpractice.
Right.
But what do we do about the website that guy read it on?
Well, good point.
Good point.
Do we have, do we have a legal precedent to go and take down the site?
Fine the guy.
Not fined, but fine.
Like dollars.
Do we arrest him?
What do we charge him with?
Public harm?
I don't even, I don't know.
I don't know what the law is here.
Oh, I'm, I mean, without the law, you've got actions that can be taken by the community.
Yeah.
I mean, when the community takes out a bully.
Or kicks him out.
We could vote it off the island.
Fuck him.
Yeah, that's true.
That's what I'd like to see happen.
There's a lot of people I'd like to see voted off the island.
The island that is the United States.
Me.
I'm not saying who.
Well, I mean, probably we could, we could do with a change of all 535 members of Congress.
All the incumbents.
That's true.
If you're over 60, you're out.
Okay.
I'll give you 65.
No, if it just, I don't want career politicians in there.
I want somebody who actually represents me.
Yeah.
Not the interests of whatever corporations donated to the campaign.
I agree.
I don't know if that, I don't know if we do that with term limits.
We do it with age limits.
Probably just a little bit of the truth would help.
Is there such thing as a truthful politician?
No, that's why they got to go.
I mean, you look at somebody like AOC, you know, she's, she's not a career politician.
She hasn't been in there for two decades.
Right.
But she is pretty dramatic.
Yeah.
I mean, she's a, she's, you have a, she's what you would call.
Yeah.
She's a firebrand.
You have firebrands on the left and you have firebrands.
Firebrands on the right.
MTG is a firebrand on the right.
Lauren Boebert is a firebrand on the right.
MTG needs to go fuck herself.
Yeah.
I mean, I agree.
And that is protected under the first amendment.
It is.
By saying that.
Yeah.
Don't let your boss hear that.
He doesn't listen to this show.
No, I didn't think so.
Neither does mine.
So we're good.
We're okay.
But yeah, I guess that's pretty much where, where I came down to on the whole, you know,
free speech, hate speech, harmful speech.
I never really thought about harmful speech until today.
And you don't really hear, at least I haven't, you don't hear it in the, in the news and the
socials and all.
Anybody ever talking about harmful speech?
Yeah.
It's usually just bureaucrats.
Yeah.
And I mean, I'll, I will say this when it comes to, to speech.
Um, I think, I think it is clear that Charlie Kirk being murdered for his free speech is not
something I condone.
I think we can both agree on that.
Yeah.
But I do think that some of the things that he said bordered on harmful speech, not just
hate speech.
There's a bunch of it was hate speech as far as I was concerned, but I think some of it
bordered on harmful.
I never heard everything he, he said because I wasn't a follower.
Me either.
But.
I knew who, I knew who he was and I saw a lot of the shit that would pop up and the crazy
ass things that he would say about certain classes of people and what have you.
So.
Yeah.
I think putting people in categories is the wrong approach and both sides do that.
They, they, they put people in classes and they apply labels to masses of people.
I don't, I don't like that.
Yeah.
I agree.
That's the, it's the, it's the middle-aged man you encounter who does not want a Dell
computer because he had a Dell, he had a Dell one time and it fucked up or.
Yeah.
You know, in his experience, it just wasn't a good experience.
So he's just not, he's categorically resisting a Dell.
He had a Dell back in 2007.
Yeah.
Cause of one experience.
Yeah.
So.
In 2025.
I don't want no damn Dell.
I just, I had one.
It was back in 07.
That was the worst piece of shit.
Yeah.
I get that.
So, you know, so you, you've categorically shun this one thing because of his label.
Mm-hmm.
Not knowing that HP's made in the same fucking factory probably.
Hey, let's don't forget Gateway.
Back in the day, that was the first, the first laptops that were bought for me when I joined
the city were Gateway laptops.
And they were, they were thick and heavy.
And I think it might've had a 13 inch, 14 inch screen.
Maybe.
Hmm.
I mean, it did the job, but yeah, it was, we, we bought, we had two of them.
I had one and, uh, my tech had one.
But yeah, I, uh, I don't like labels.
I mean, sometimes you have to have labels, but I don't like how they're applied sometimes.
I don't need a label.
I mean, you just, it's some guy, uh, who was in front of me in line at the Walgreens.
I don't have to say what color he was.
I don't have to say what he smelled like.
I can just say he was a dick.
Well, that, that brings up a question I have for you because I have heard this one over and
over and over.
And so I'm kind of curious talking about labels and talking about the way we, we reference
people sometimes.
So you're at, you're at a gathering.
Maybe there's about a hundred people.
Number one, why are you there?
I don't know because I hate people, but so you're in the gathering.
Uh, it's kind of like coat and tie or whatever, but you know, not like, um, real fancy, maybe
sports coat.
I don't know.
And so someone's asking you, they don't know who this individual is, but they're asking you
where Mike is, for example.
And the one way that you can tell them that who Mike is, is you can point over in a direction.
You might be over in a corner talking with some other folks and you go, Mike is the black
guy with the red tie.
How else would you know, notate who Mike is?
That's an individual characteristic.
That's, it is, but it's a label.
He's a, he's late.
He, you just labeled him as a black man because, well, that's what he is.
Now, if there were, if there were other black men standing there, now you need to differentiate
between say the three of them.
Mike is the black man wearing the red tie.
The other one has a blue tie and then the other one has a green tie.
So I'm, I'm, you know, it's, I'm just curious because there are some people that would take
exception to the fact that I had to point out that he's a black guy.
But if I say, well, he's the guy with the red tie.
All right.
He might, he's the only black guy with a red tie, but there's three other white men standing
there that have red ties.
You see what I'm saying?
Right.
And it, it, you don't have to, you don't have to be ashamed of yourself for saying it's the
black guy.
Because you haven't, it's not derogatory.
You're only, right.
You're only identifying him by a, by an attribute.
Yeah.
That's it.
But there are, yeah, there are people that would bitch at you.
If somebody takes offense to that, then fuck them.
Yeah.
Why don't you have to say black guy?
Well, you know what?
After you go deal with Mike, just go fuck yourself.
Yeah.
Because I've, you know exactly who Mike is now.
You're welcome.
Yeah.
Now go away.
I don't want to talk to people.
I mean, that'd be like if you're using, if, if someone has a kind of a gender neutral
name, Sam.
There's plenty of those.
Yeah.
So the person is like where, uh, they don't, and maybe this person doesn't know who Sam is
as far as they don't know.
They've never seen Sam.
They don't know that Sam could be short for Samantha.
And so when they ask you, uh, is Sam here, you know, Sam so-and-so and you can, yeah, Sam
is, uh, Sam is the woman over there in the pink dress.
Okay.
So the one characteristic, we've got two characteristics there, female and a pink dress.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Right.
If Sam happens to be black, that's where some, and again, you can, I agree with you.
They can go fuck themselves.
Sam is the black woman in the pink dress.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't know anybody who would take offense to that.
You don't, you don't follow the same kind of shit I follow apparently.
So I think I might be healthier.
You probably are.
Maybe I need to go see the psychiatrist.
You just turn the fucking TV off, man.
I can't do that.
I can't.
Are you going to show you how?
I'll tell you exactly which button.
It's the red button.
It's not the TV.
Nothing against red people, but it's the red button on that remote.
It's not the TV that gets me.
I have to stay update, updated with the news.
That's the reason why I don't, I don't, I don't connect with you and Samuel when it comes
to just checking out and not paying attention to this stuff.
I just haven't, you haven't checked out long enough to have the feeling.
Yeah, but I need to know that one day somebody is going to knock on my door and say, we need
to see you at Papus.
I need to know before that happens.
You'll know before then.
They're not coming to Tifton first.
Let's hope not.
They're not.
This is, we don't know, we do not live in a destination.
That's like we're having the, uh, God, I forget the name of it, but we're having, you know,
every year they have the, uh, the Latino festival.
Yeah.
Um, I forget what it's called.
And my first thought was they didn't cancel that because, and it may be because of what
you said.
Tifton's not really a destination per se, but there are other types of celebrations like that
in larger metropolitan areas in Georgia that got canceled.
Really?
Yeah.
This ice shit is serious, man.
I'm telling you.
I mean, it's like.
For that reason, I was thinking they were exclusionary, but.
No, no, no, no.
They're doing it.
They were doing it because of the potential of ice raids.
Now, we, we don't have anything to worry about here because everybody I've seen at that
festival.
Yeah.
I mean, it's the same fucking vendors that show up everywhere else.
So they got papers.
Yeah.
And.
What about the residents?
Well, it's.
I've seen families.
They're all in their family groups and everybody's well-dressed enough.
And, you know, it's not a hundred percent Spanish.
They probably got papers.
Yeah.
But even having a green card doesn't save you now.
That's, that's the thing.
I mean, Lee even saw in this area, if I understood her right, which pissed her off.
They're advertising for people to come join ICE and they're giving you a $50,000 signing
bonus.
I've not seen that.
Yeah.
I'm not on the job hunt.
Well, I mean, me either.
But like she pointed out, there's going to be some good old boy rednecks going to look
at that and go, yeehaw, give me a 50K and I can go, I can go string me up some illegals.
Yeah.
Until you find out you're stupid and you're not doing the job they hired you to do.
They, they removed basically all the restrictions that they had prior to become an ICE agent.
There were age restrictions.
You couldn't be over, I think, 35.
They have completely removed that.
You're supposed to have a certain education level.
They completely removed that.
So I do have a closing monologue that I can read.
So here's where we land.
Free speech is the park.
Open, messy, sometimes loud, but built on the idea that everyone gets a place on the grass.
Hate speech?
Well, that's the graffiti.
Marking territory by pushing others out.
Harmful speech?
That's when words aren't just ugly, they're dangerous, like shouting false alarms or pointing
people toward real harm.
And the hardest challenge that we face is balance.
We don't want to fence the park in so tightly that no one can enjoy it.
But we also can't let it turn into a place where only the loudest or most reckless voices survive.
The real test of a free society is whether we can keep the park open.
It's whether we can keep it safe, fair, and welcoming without burning it down in the process.
And that's where our reliance on the government comes into play.
Yeah.
The community doesn't seem to want to do anything for itself.
They just want to scream and holler and have the government solve the problem.
If they could just solve it by themselves, have the guy quietly go away or bring the guy
up for a debate and make him prove his points, have a local discussion about it and get people
involved, then he might actually get to know some people in the community and not hate everybody
so much.
Well, that reminds me of two things.
One, Ronald Reagan was quoted as saying, and I remember him saying this, that one of the
one of the scariest things is when someone comes to your house and says, I'm from the government.
I'm here to help.
Yeah.
You know, and the second thing is, and I think it's Justin Robert Young that actually says
that, that he basically says that politics, I'm paraphrasing, I'm not going to get this
exactly right, but essentially politics starts at the local level.
Yeah.
You know, that's, if you can build at the local level, it actually just kind of goes up.
And so instead of having like trickle down economics, we have trickle up politics.
Yeah.
So, yeah, in a way that's, that's the way it needs to be done.
And I've said, I've said for a long time that the federal government needs to be conservative.
And as you get more local in the state, in the county, in the cities, it gets more
progressive, liberal, liberal.
Yeah.
That way, local communities have the laws that fit them instead of shit coming down from the
federal level that only helps people in Alaska.
Well, you, you do, you do realize that the original idea of the federal government, the
idea that the founders had, is not the form of government that we have today.
No.
The federal government was simply just supposed to be kind of a referee between the states.
That was it.
Well, there's, we've had to add the whole national protection kind of thing.
Right.
But apart from that, you know, whatever we're doing in here, you know, the federal government's
in the bedroom now, they're in the bathroom.
Mm-hmm.
They're inside companies.
It's, and some of these laws need to exist, you know, employment laws and whatnot.
Oh, yeah.
But get out of the bedroom.
Mm-hmm.
Unless I'm hurting somebody, and that still should be a state law.
It should just be taken care of a little bit more locally, because when you're trying
to govern 350 million people, it's, it gets a little rough.
Yeah.
You know, leave it to the states.
Sounds like you're probably-
And the states should take shit and leave it to the counties and cities.
It sounds like you might be someone who supports the dissolution of the Department of Education
at the federal level.
Because that's, that's exactly what Trump was saying is, hand it all back to the states.
Let the states decide.
You know, I, I do, I've got one kid, he's got a year and a half left in public schools.
But I won't make the argument for dissolving the federal Department of Education.
Mm-hmm.
But I can imagine one benefit, and that would be states competing with each other, you know?
Yeah.
So the state with the, the best STEM systems would produce the best engineers.
But then families will want to-
And so Oklahoma would step up their fucking game, finally.
And start teaching some real shit.
I was gonna-
Arkansas would, Arkansas would boast about their, I don't know, plumbers or whatever.
Oh.
I was actually gonna bring up Oklahoma.
I mean, they're 50th out of, out of 50 states.
So as far as I can remember, either 49 or 50.
And that's because that one dumbass superintendent in charge of education wants to keep throwing Trump Bibles and everything else.
Yeah.
I read, I read something stupid like that a few years ago, and I believe it was Oklahoma.
Oh, yeah.
And I thought, well, there's fucking no real parents gonna move there.
Good, good luck.
Yeah, their, their, their curriculum that he tried to push down to all of the, the various school systems was challenged in court and was shot down because it was bullshit.
Yeah.
You know, it actually, it actually perpetuated the lie that the 2020 election was not decided, that there, there was some corruption in it, and among other things.
And he's real, real, real, heavy religious bent on everything, as you can imagine.
So.
Yeah.
But yeah, you're right.
I mean, if you have, there's, there's no way in hell, knowing what I know about Oklahoma, that I would move, if I still had children that were in school.
That I would move to Oklahoma, unless that was the only place I could find a job.
Yeah.
But then I, then I'd homeschool, because I, I mean, we did, we homeschooled.
So, keep them out of the goddamn education system in Oklahoma, because all they're churning out there are stupid kids.
I'm serious.
Hey, that's hate speech.
But it's not harmful.
Let's, let's wrap it up right there.
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And, uh, because that's what this episode was sort of about.
Yeah.
Fuck this space.
You fuck this space.
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