Welcome back to another episode, unless this is the first one you're hearing, of the Agenda Fluid podcast.
I'm Ben, and I'm pretending to be in charge.
I'm Donovan, and I'm letting him go.
All right, so this podcast is not for advice.
This is just for, I think, the audience to just sort of commiserate with us.
Mm-hmm.
We're not here to solve any problems.
We're just going to talk about them.
If nothing, we might actually create a few.
Well, in hopes that the listener may understand that they're not alone.
It's like, oh, they have the same fucking problems I do.
True.
You know, I also have to pee all the time.
You're not over 50 yet, though.
Yeah, I'm over 40.
Oh, that's true.
And that's, you know, you don't go to work anymore.
You just find breaks between urination to get a few things done.
My wife claims that I have a pregnant woman's bladder because of the amount of times that I pee.
What's your pee volume per day?
Not volume is the wrong question.
How many times do you go?
Probably five times in the morning because, you know, I start drinking coffee at five.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm pounding coffee till noon.
And then, I don't know, two or three times in the afternoon.
So about eight to ten times a day?
Yeah.
Before you go to bed?
Yeah.
That's about me.
I'd say it's probably about eight to ten.
And on average, two times during the night, I have to get up.
I haven't had to get up recently, but there was a time probably a few months ago that I was up every morning about two.
It was, yeah.
You always, you always do that final, final piss right before you go to bed.
Oh, yeah.
Even if I don't think I have to.
Me too.
Because I know I'm going to lay down and I'm going to toss and turn until I pee.
Lay down an hour later.
It's like, damn it.
I got to get up and pee.
Oh, yeah.
I do that too because we try to go to, we try to go to bed around no later than ten here.
Yeah.
And so, you know, drain it then and usually I'm up one-ish, one or two for the first pee.
And then usually around four o'clock for the second.
Well, that's just life.
I guess so.
And I can't really say that it's gotten worse, better, or it's just kind of indifferent.
From 40 to 55, it's been about the same for me.
Yeah, so if you're 30, that's what you have to look forward to.
Nobody told me about this when I was 30, damn it.
Should have known, though, where my dad was.
Yeah.
He used to work with an older guy and he complained one day.
At midnight.
Had to get up, go tee tee.
Oh, God.
That takes me back.
That's something my grandmother would say to young kids.
You got to go tee tee.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, no.
Not right now.
Yeah.
Well, just before the show, I was like, you know, I don't have to pee, but I bet I can if I go in there.
And I did.
Yeah.
I did it about 4.15.
I think right after I sent you the message about, you know, starting around 4.30, I was like, I need to go fill up my water and I need to take a leak.
Yep.
So, how do you get stuff done?
What's your motivation?
Like, I sat today, I had the, I was going to have a productive Monday, but then I ended up malware hunting for half of it or more than half of it.
Right.
So, I didn't get anything done.
And I crushed shit yesterday.
But today, couldn't be bothered.
Couldn't, I couldn't keep it.
I knew I've got this list of things I've got to do.
Mm-hmm.
I just could not wrap my mind around one of them at a single point in time.
Just had kind of everything going on.
So, how do you put your blinders on and get after it?
Well, I do make a list from time to time.
So, and I, and I try to prioritize that list.
Some days are better than others, of course.
Well, I mean, I guess it's kind of like what you and I have been looking at, this whole Windows, Windows 10 EOL.
Mm-hmm.
You know, last week started working on scripts and what have you.
Got to figure out which, which of these machines are upgradable and which ones aren't.
And so, I knew that the responsible thing to do was to contact one of my larger clients and have a conversation about it Monday.
Today's Wednesday.
So, and that went fairly well.
And I don't feel like, I don't feel like it's an emergent thing.
It's something that needs to be done.
But it's not like before October 14th, I got to have 30 machines replaced because that's not happening.
I'm telling you that right now.
That's not happening.
Yeah.
Here's the funny thing.
I get, well, maybe it's not funny, but my motivation comes from joy.
Like, this is going to be weird, but this afternoon, I've been working on something that is not business related.
It's not going to make any more money than it's been making because it hasn't been making any money.
But I decided that I wanted to rebuild.
See, right now, Call Me Donovan, the podcast, callmedonovan.com, just forwards over to the Spreaker page for it.
I've decided I want my website back.
So, I've been working on that and screwing around with different templates and stuff.
And that gives me a sense of joy.
This is something I think is cool I want to work on.
You know, that's my motivation is because it made me happy.
So, but that's nothing to do with the IT business, you know?
Yeah.
So, and that's like this morning.
You know, I normally, I normally am the kind of person, I don't really, I don't really want to go places that often.
I almost feel like it's an imposition if I've got to go and visit with someone or talk about something.
But this morning, I had to go to a client's new location.
You and I have talked about it.
And I was looking forward to it because it was a new experience of I'd never been in that little building.
And I wanted to see what the hell, what it looked like.
So, I got to, you know?
So, that was motivation for me is this morning.
I was like, ooh, something out of the ordinary.
I've got to go somewhere.
And the shit's not broken.
Yeah.
There's a different motivation of shit's fucked versus fact-finding mission.
Yeah.
I love new stuff.
Yeah.
I found that all the networks that I've built are the ones that I, those are the clients I want.
But the ones that I didn't build and I've got to kind of shoo stuff in and it's, you're almost walking in blind every single time.
Mm-hmm.
Because you don't know what is lurking in that directory.
Exactly.
Or what service got disconnected or, or forgot to get paid for.
Right.
So, you know, the ones that I build, I know everything about them and they're, they're easy to, easy to manage and they're built to scale and, um, but also those are, they're not challenging.
When they're, when they're built, they're not challenging.
Do you ever go back, do you ever go back to any of the ones that you've built and go, Ooh, I have more knowledge.
I can do this now.
Oh yeah.
You know, and, and that kind of aspect is, is fun.
Especially if you get to like put it together on a test bench because you don't want to screw up a working network, of course.
But it's like, Oh, I, you know, why didn't I think about doing it this way?
Yeah.
Why didn't I think about doing it that way?
And it's streamlined something.
Or then you kind of, you kind of let down when you discover that what you're thinking, the way it was going to work, it wound up not working.
So you're like, eh, oh, I, you know, whenever I kick that under the fucking work bench and then sit back in front of the, you know, computer and go watch porn for a bit.
But, um.
Well, you got to reset somehow.
You know, that's true.
But yeah, there are, there are good challenges that, that I'm motivated to do.
Uh, interesting problems, uh, new toys to play with.
But then there's challenges that I'd rather not have, like sitting in a dusty room, trying to figure some shit out that somebody else did 17 years ago.
Um, that, that's not enjoyable, but I don't know.
Even if there's extra money involved.
Yeah.
You know, it's not, I'm not, I'm not really motivated by money.
I mean, I, I like money, but.
I mean, we all need it.
We have to survive.
But yeah, I mean, it, there are certain instances where it has to be a considerable sum of money to get me motivated and, and, and charged up to, to do something that I'm like, otherwise I wouldn't be doing this.
Yeah.
But, I mean, there's some days I just don't feel like it.
Mm-hmm.
I know that I've not given anybody any expectation.
I know there's stuff that needs to be done, but it doesn't need to be done today.
Right.
So, and it's also not interesting.
Um.
That's the reason why I schedule most of the stuff that I have to get done.
Like if I need to go do a service call.
Yeah.
You know, they'll call me 10, 11 o'clock that morning and I'll say, all right, well, I'll see you in the morning.
Okay.
Around nine o'clock.
And they're like, oh, okay.
I try to schedule everything in the morning.
Because I'm more motivated in the morning time.
Once it gets to lunch, it's siesta time, man.
Yeah.
I, I, sometimes I schedule, so, oh yeah, I'll, I'll be there by one o'clock and I always regret it.
Mm-hmm.
I'd rather do it at eight.
Yeah.
I'd let, especially since in the last two years where I've been getting up really a lot earlier than I used to.
Mm-hmm.
I find that, I mean, I'll show up at a client's location at like 730.
And I mean, if they open, but definitely by eight o'clock sometimes.
And, and they're like, you know, they're like, hey, you're here.
And, um, but, um, you know, my lunch is 12 to two because I eat and then, uh, and then I veg out on the couch watching supernatural or something.
And I might even take a 15 minute nap while I'm sitting there.
So, you know, I don't come back out to this office unless it's an emergency until after two o'clock.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I don't think I'd make it back into the office since I spent two hours at lunch.
Well, I mean, we spend an hour, you know, I cook most of the time, probably 90% of the time I'm the one cooking.
And, uh, it's not that I'm making grandiose meals or anything.
So, you know, not everybody should get that.
That is an idea.
I'm usually throwing shit in the oven or, uh, you know, I'll cook fries or tots, that kind of stuff.
And then we're finished eating usually by one-ish.
So then I'm just chilling for an hour and then I come back out here.
Yeah.
I try to stay in the office, but I mean, you're, you're in a detached building.
I'm just, I'm one door down from my bedroom.
So when that nap calls, it's like, I'm headed that way.
Now Beth likes making the bed in the morning.
So I don't want to, I don't want to mess it up.
I sleep, we sleep in separate beds and make up my own bed.
Yeah.
Hey, you might get there one day.
There are definite advantages to sleeping in separate beds.
Well, we've been married 25 years.
And this year, earlier this year, we went from a queen to a king.
So, oh, you went, oh, so you basically went separate.
We got separate beds.
They're just conjoined.
Oh, that works.
Yeah.
That works.
To a point.
Yeah.
I mean, there's some disadvantages to the separate bed, but I think the, I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
Well, it just depends on, I mean, a lot of things.
Yeah.
Well, it's not uncommon for older couples to eventually do that.
Yeah.
I mean, you've got to get up twice in the night to wee.
Yeah.
Well, and then one of you sleep, you know, I'm a tosser and turner, so I'm constantly rotating.
I mean, you know, Lee's joked about I'm like a rotisserie chicken sometimes, just constantly just rolling in the fucking bed for some reason.
I can't get comfortable.
I know I'm back and forth before I get to sleep, but I don't know what happens after that.
My son travels a lot.
He woke up, I went in there to wake him up one day.
He was, he was backwards.
Feet on the pillows.
Blankets everywhere.
I think Tyler's done that.
Tyler said he'll wake up in some really funky ass positions.
He's like, I don't know how I got here.
You know, you've seen these, you may have seen these like cat memes where the cats like turned upside down and, and they're just sound asleep.
And Tyler looked at that one time and he goes, yeah, I've done that.
I think.
Now we've talked about purpose, but.
And discovered we don't really have any.
Yeah.
What, what makes life enjoyable?
What, um, what do you, what do you get up in the morning for?
I, I get up early just so I can have the quiet time where I know the phone's not going to ring.
Nobody's up.
And, you know, I calm things down before clients' days start.
Yeah.
And then after that, when, when clients are at work, I don't want to interrupt them.
So, I don't, I don't, I don't do much.
I, I do basically the same thing.
That's what I, that's what I've discovered is, uh, depending on when I can get out here.
Earliest I think I've ever been out here is probably about 630.
Because I go through this whole process, you know, I get up, I take a shower.
Shower takes me about 15 minutes probably.
And I come out, I make my bed, I go make coffee.
And when I say coffee, I mean, I think I've talked about this before.
We have an electric kettle.
So I run the water.
We drink instant coffee.
Anybody that, that, you know, looks down their nose at that can just fuck off because I like instant coffee.
Off, I will fuck because I'm pretty picky about coffee.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm not.
I don't, I don't judge you.
I just don't think I would have it.
You're, you're not going to look down your nose at me because I do it.
It's just, you prefer not, you prefer your coffees.
I'm, I am a, a creature of, since I have my earliest recollection of drinking coffee, it's always been instant coffee.
It's Folgers, nothing fancy, you know?
Yeah.
And Lee has a particular way I have to make hers.
It's one teaspoon of coffee, two teaspoons of powdered creamer, two teaspoons of sugar.
I got one teaspoon of coffee, three tablespoons of vanilla creamer, liquid creamer.
That's where I get my sweetener from.
I quit putting sugar in my coffee years ago.
But, you know, then I do all that, do my bathroom routine, get my clothes on, and I'm out here usually between 6.30 and 7 o'clock.
Here lately with Tyler being here, he'll come in.
He's gotten up.
He's, there have been mornings he's beat me.
He's been in the kitchen whenever I come out of the shower.
I'm like, dude, boy, that, you realigned with this East Coast time quickly.
But of course, ironically, with him being here, he discovered he can get more done because his West Coast peeps aren't up.
So, you know, people aren't messaging him and asking for assistance on this and that and the other.
But one of the coolest things is when I walk out here, because I have the benefit of, like I say, this, you know, detached building.
I walk outside and I immediately can listen to nature, you know, the birds going off and all of that.
Matter of fact, I've made recordings of that, probably about nine or ten recordings of that.
Some of it is rain.
Some of it is just the birds getting really chatty.
And I'll just walk up and down the driveway with my coffee in hand, just listening to that, and then come in here and see if there's anything, you know, do I need to restart a firewall or something like that?
Because I did have one where the firewall the evening before decided that it wanted to gobble up all of its memory and the CPU run at 100% for some reason.
I damn near couldn't get into it.
Never did discover exactly what was going on, but it did give me an idea that I probably need to upgrade that firewall for that particular client.
But now I've got to see if they're going to want to spend the money.
Well, you've got to let them know.
So if it starts fucking up.
Yeah.
Which I mean, it's been fine, but I don't know why.
It's a tiny little thing.
It's the entry-level net gate SG-1100 that they make.
It's not a powerhouse at all.
And when we first put it in, they only had a 200 by 200.
Now they've got a 500 by 500, and they've been running on that 500 by 500 for a year and a half.
And then suddenly this cropped up.
So I don't know.
I'm going to keep an eye on it.
But, yeah, there's serenity and calmness at that time.
Yeah.
You know, and of course, I have things now that I have to do.
I mean, they're self-imposed.
You know, I come out here, and one of the first things I do is I record the weather for the radio station.
Because the earlier I can get that done, you know, I don't do weather updates throughout the day.
I just do a, hey, this is a four-day forecast starting, you know, today and the date.
Then give the next four days.
That kind of stuff.
It can get monotonous, though, but I try not to let it.
I guess it's like everything else.
When you don't get feedback, I don't know how you deal with that.
If you don't get feedback on something that you're doing, do you lose interest in doing it?
If I don't make progress.
If I don't make progress and I get interrupted, there's a high likelihood I'm not going to finish.
I can show you a folder of projects that aren't finished.
I don't have a folder called finished projects.
I was created an archive to offload some stuff from the NAS, and one of the directories in there is Project Graveyard.
Oh, I like it.
I like it.
So I'm going through, like, old downloads and trying to get some things organized, and I just, I'm finding projects that I, oh, yeah, that was a, would have been a good idea.
And I just stick in my graveyard, because that's where it goes.
In the crafting world, as my wife has told me, those are called UFOs, I think.
Unfinished objects.
Yeah.
I think, I think I'm correct on that.
UFOs is what she said.
Because the first time she said that, I went, Giorgio?
But if you get the reference.
I don't.
Giorgio from Ancient Aliens.
Yeah.
I don't care for that show.
I'm sure it's interesting and entertaining.
I just.
I love that show.
There's a reason why, and I've talked about it, I think I've talked about it in my Call Me Donovan podcast one time, but it was one of the reasons why I had so much difficulty dropping TrueVista for cable services, because they had all the history channels.
And going to YouTube TV, YouTube does not have a contract with the AMC, is it AMC?
Anyway, the company that owns all of that.
And make a long story short, my first attempt at sobriety, where I went for one year, my Friday nights got, my normal drinking Friday nights got replaced with me sitting there watching Ancient Aliens.
And William Shatner's show and all of that.
So there's a little bit of a nostalgia for it.
I don't believe any of it.
I think it's cool.
But, you know, were we engineered or deposited here by aliens?
Yeah, that's actually more a likely story than, you know, a divine being did it.
But anyway, I mean, we were seated here or either this is a prison planet and we were just a bunch of fucking rednecks and they decided to get rid of us.
I don't know.
Well, you know, at the point of the singularity, we were all there.
Yeah.
Always go back to Battlestar, the way it ended.
Did you watch that whole series?
I did.
I'm having trouble remembering what the hell happened at the end.
So they all they send all of their technology into the sun.
They send all their ships into the sun and they land.
They've got like one one or two ships.
They land Adama and the president.
And a couple of other people, along with some humanoid sidelines.
And and then it jumps like one hundred and fifty thousand years or something like that.
And six and shit, I just forgot his name.
I want to say Balthazar, but it's not Balthazar.
It's anyway, they're walking around what looks like Times Square or some city like New York or something like that.
And it's trying to show that history just repeats itself, that we get to a point where we annihilate ourselves or something happens like because all of this is supposed to take place in the future.
Our future, because Earth is the lost 13th colony in this mythology.
And and so they're walking around and whether they're supposed to be angels or whatever, because he makes she six makes the comment about.
You know, you know, says God or something.
And again, I forget his name.
He said he looks at her and says, you know, he doesn't like to be called that.
But yeah, that's the way that ended is.
Is is basically it was trying to demonstrate that in this this mythology that we potentially could be the descendants of or this is the way it happened previously.
And it's just going to continue to happen again.
We get to a certain point, everything falls apart and we start over somewhere else and just goes over and over and over and over.
So that's motivation to get up in the morning.
Right.
And do things is because, you know, 100 million years from now, there's going to be two assholes sitting in front of computers talking on a podcast.
Probably again about Battlestar Galactica.
Yeah, probably.
Probably just like it happened before.
Yeah.
It's I love the saying it happened the way it happened and couldn't have happened any other way.
That's right.
So what is it?
Determinism.
I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was.
Everything is as it should be.
If it if it if it if it it is the way it is because it happened that way.
I mean, it's sad to think about it that way, but not to get political.
But that means that what we are currently living in today is supposed to happen.
It could not have been avoided.
Yeah, it has to happen.
Yeah.
And.
We go through it.
And then we come out on the other side and whatever that is.
That was supposed to happen.
Yeah.
You can relieve a lot of anxiety if you if you think that way.
Yeah.
It reminds me of a line from Blue Bloods.
Frank, the commissioner, Tom Selleck, several times throughout that 14 years of of it running.
He always said, you know, when someone was was down and out, they were worried or whatever.
You know, something potentially somebody got kidnapped or something.
And he was like, you can't rehearse for tragedy.
Yeah.
And I was like, wow, that's that's actually very poignant.
You sit there and you do all these what ifs, you will drive yourself fucking insane.
Yeah.
I mean, I do a lot of what ifs.
I don't worry about it, but I try to plan for alternative outcomes.
But yeah, that's true.
I mean, I think it's I think it's responsible to do that.
You know, figure out what your backup plan might be here.
If this goes this way or if this goes that way, what's my contingency?
You know, that type of thing.
It's like when I told Tyler I was going to reboot that firewall early the next morning, he said, what's your backup plan?
I just laughed.
I went, well, I'm going to make a backup of the config first.
And if it all goes to shit, I have another SG 1100 sitting right here that I can throw that config on and be up there and have them back up and going.
He's like, OK.
Yeah.
So, you know, what else can you do?
What else can you do?
I mean.
Yeah, there's nothing to.
Hello.
That's like I'm working, you know, I'm working on contingency and backup plans because at some point I've got to upgrade a server from 2016 to 2019.
Like we talked about.
Yeah.
You know.
But I can't just I mean, it's always recommended not to do one of those in place.
And I'm like, it took me a day and a half to get that server fully loaded in several support calls for people that have to get on there and do things.
I am not doing that as a clean install.
You can just fuck right off.
Otherwise, it's staying on 2016 forever.
You know, not going to do it.
I don't know.
It's weird.
And I hate to jinx it, but and things go in cycles, I guess.
But I have felt better over the last probably five days than I have in a long time.
And I don't know why.
Again, at the risk of jinxing it, I better knock on some fucking wood.
There we go.
Reminds me of a friend of mine that used to say, I'm having one of my one of my dark turns whenever they get depressed.
You know who I'm talking about.
He's a nurse, works in IT.
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah.
He would always tell me that he's like, I'm having one of my dark turns and it'd last about a week.
And then he'd come out of it.
I thought about actually going to the doctor and trying to get on some antidepressants.
But I was like, I don't really want to do that.
I don't recommend it.
No.
No, I've I had a friend of mine who he moved away from Tifton, moved to the town on the west side of Georgia.
I'm not going to I don't want to I'm not going to say his name nor give out anything about where he's at.
But when he moved out there for a job, he that was that was a big undertaking for him anyway.
And to try to help control his anxiety, he got on some antidepressants.
And the ones that he got on, I mean, it solved his problem.
But then he created others.
He couldn't get his dick hard.
Yeah.
I've heard about that, too.
And he was like, I don't know which one of these is better.
I'm like, not being able to get you really up to me is a major issue.
And you're not at that age where you need to be getting a little blue pills.
Not yet.
So.
Yeah, I don't know.
So, yeah, that's the reason why I haven't I haven't seriously contacted the doctor and go, hey, you know, I think I might need a little bit of help.
If they would just allow studies on psychedelics.
Yeah, that's true.
But hey, dear leader is looking at moving marijuana from schedule one, schedule three.
Maybe.
I'm I'm done waiting.
I'm done waiting on the government.
Mm hmm.
You can do what you got to do.
Yeah.
Alcohol is legal.
Yeah, but it's.
Alcohol is a depressant, which.
What is the HC?
I know it's not a depressant, but.
I don't know.
I don't know what you would classify it as.
I mean, I always thought it funny because it was like, if you're depressed, you shouldn't drink alcohol.
Why?
Because alcohol is a depressant.
And I'm like, let me tell you something.
If I'm feeling rough and I get a few under the belt.
I'm I'm like, you know, life of the party, or at least I am in my mind.
Well, it relaxes you and and calms the anxiety.
Yeah, it does.
It does provide shit sleep, though.
I'll tell you that.
I think that depends on, well, how you metabolize alcohol and and what kind of alcohol you have.
Well, my go to's were always tequila, rum, and then some form of beer and usually not the good kind.
It was always the cheap kind because, well, it was cheap.
You know.
I've had good luck with bourbon.
Tequila.
I just don't like it.
I eat rum.
Rum's too sweet.
Well, that's the reason why I would.
Gin is.
I forgot that because that's what that's what Tyler and I were drinking.
And mostly before I stopped drinking was some form of gin.
We started out with Seagram's and then discovered that there I forget the name of the company.
He can probably remember it.
But a liquor store down the road carries it.
And it was a lot better than Seagram's.
Seagram's gin was rough when we after we discovered this other.
And, you know, good mixer.
I would even I would even shoot it, but it's better mixed.
Definitely.
But I'm I think today's 809 days since I've had one single solitary drop of alcohol.
Well, good.
Yeah.
I don't miss the after effects the next day and the stuff like that.
But I do kind of miss the taste of like a good quality draft of a craft beer.
Yeah.
I mean, I pretty much stopped drinking.
I used to drink every day, never to excess.
But then I figured, why am I doing this?
Yeah.
I'm just out of habit.
I'm not enjoying it.
So I got a I got a 12 pack of Sweetwater 420 Pale Ale.
And I think I've had two of them in the past three weeks.
I won last night and then one sometime in the past three weeks.
And that that way I get to just enjoy it.
Yeah.
And it stays in a tiny little fridge on the back porch.
And I don't see it every time I open the fridge.
I have to go out there.
I have to remember.
Oh, I have it's it's good.
Good night for a beer.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was I was I was grilling.
It was Monday night, not last night.
I was grilling and I was out there and I thought it's nice.
It's been cool.
Overcast all day.
It's not terribly hot.
So it's good.
Good time for a beer.
Yeah.
And I had the one and that was it.
Yeah, that is feel like having another.
That is one thing I kind of miss.
Of course, I haven't grilled any this year, but I would love to stand out there, especially on like a Saturday.
I'd be grilling for lunch, hamburger, hot dogs, whatever.
And just be standing on the deck drinking a beer.
I mean, that was fun.
Yeah.
And it's as long as it's not a central part, you know, it's just a little little treat.
Yeah, that was the problem I was running into is it became an integral part of my life.
When you get up and the first thing you you think about in the morning is.
How early can I start drinking?
That's a problem.
I hiked the part of the Appalachian Trail with my dad and my brother.
And the first morning we we slept we slept in a tent in a fucking terrible storm.
So we get up and we're we're packing all our wet shit back into our rucksacks.
And my brother pulls out a bottle.
It's eight o'clock in the morning.
He pulls out a bottle and takes a swig of Jim Beam or whatever he was carrying.
And I thought, holy shit, that's what it looks like.
That's what it looks like.
Yep.
He didn't ask, you know, how early can I start drinking?
He just started drinking.
Yeah.
It's like, fuck that.
Yeah.
I've had I've had I've had Saturday mornings where I didn't have, you know, I didn't do overly excess Friday night and I'd have Saturday mornings.
It'd be like, yeah, it's nine thirty, ten o'clock.
Not doing anything today.
And this is especially back whenever Lee and I were playing World of Warcraft a lot.
And hell, I remember this this one Saturday at this tree.
This was way before.
We had taken out, you know, you and I and the family took out all those those pear trees, Bradford pear trees, not real pear trees.
But we had this tree that had fallen and I went out there and I was dicking around with it.
And I looked at her and I'm like, I really don't want to fuck with this thing.
She's like, well, let's don't let's just go play video games.
And I'm like, you damn right.
So video games about 10 o'clock that morning and started drinking and had a pretty good Saturday from what I remember.
I mean, that was six years ago easily.
I mean, this I think this was before my mom passed in 2019.
So, yeah, there's a lot of a lot of nostalgic things.
I mean, my latest episode that I just published today of CMD, I just found myself.
I was standing at the front of my office, my door looking out.
And I just had this wave of nostalgia that hit me because next March we will be have been in this place on this property 20 years, 20 years.
Wow.
And that just makes me realize that I've known you for longer than 20 years.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
That is true.
And so, you know, all those memories started rushing back of, you know, when we first moved here, the way the property looked.
Age of the kids, you know.
And then, of course, the fact that I have not been in the same physical space of my oldest son in 10 years.
Not seen him in the flesh in 10 years.
Wow.
Yeah.
I mean, I've talked to him occasionally, but hell, the last time I think I actually had a voice conversation with him was easily five to six years ago.
And then it got me to thinking about the whole male loneliness epidemic.
And I was like, you know, most of the time, I don't know how much of that that you've actually followed or listened to or heard over the last two years.
It's been a it's been a topic that's come up.
Yeah.
I've heard it here and there.
Yeah.
But it mainly seems to be targeting like the younger generation, like, you know, younger millennials and Gen Zs.
And I was like, but can us Gen Xers actually have that same thing?
I mean, just because I'm married and just because I have people that I consider friends and good friends, you know, like you and and Sam, can we still suffer from male loneliness?
And I think the answer is yes.
But at the same time, I never want to go over that that slippery slope of why, why, pity, pity party kind of bullshit, you know?
Yeah.
It doesn't mean it's not a problem to solve.
I mean, that's true.
That's true, because.
I guess it was.
I guess back whenever I was working for CityNet, I was always there was always this camaraderie, especially with me and Walt, me and Chad.
And then the video game, World of Warcraft is a major or has been a major part of my life since 2004 up until two years ago, three years ago.
Because I really stopped.
I finally killed my account either latter part of last year or earlier part of this year.
I was paying for every six months, so I got a discount.
Hell, my wife was playing my account.
She'd play hers and then she'd log into my account and go play my stuff.
So I've lost a lot of that camaraderie when that game disappeared, when I left CityNet.
I don't know.
Sometimes it sounds like whining, and I'm afraid that that's what it comes across as, you know?
Well, I mean, I don't hear whining in what you're saying, but I guess it could be perceived that way.
I think whining would be simply complaining and not really identifying the problem or trying to solve it.
But, you know, and never looking on the bright side of it and never seeing the positive.
That would be whining to me.
But, yeah, why?
I have very few people who call me and don't need something.
Mm-hmm.
Um, two or three.
Like, you, a friend in Macon, and my dad.
They're the only ones I don't go, ah, fuck, when the phone rings.
Yeah.
Do you still rely on your dad for advice?
Uh, no.
I want to, sometimes.
Yeah.
Um, he's, he's, uh, very philosophical and pretty grounded.
Yeah.
Logical.
Experienced in life and whatnot.
But, no, I do want to go sit down with him every once in a while just to hash things out.
But I don't want to, I don't want to burden him with my problems.
You know?
I mean, yeah.
Well, I, I, I get that, but he's, he's still someone that you could go, hey, I got this.
What do you think about this?
Kind of thing.
You know, from his, as you say, his life experience.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I, I, I feel like I know what he would say and it's things that I've told myself and I
just won't fucking do.
like, like, like, like take a break, like take a vacation or go do something.
Yeah.
Um, Hey, you did that.
I did.
You see, I don't, I don't, I don't have that advantage anymore.
That's what I got to thinking about is, you know, dad went in 20, 2013, mom went in 2019.
Uh, I have not spoken to anybody on my dad's side of the family or my mom's side of the family since 2020.
I had an uncle pass earlier this year and I was asked to be a pallbearer.
Um, and I saw cousins and aunts and uncles.
It had been years and I haven't spoke to him since the funeral.
Um, I do have cousins trying to organize a, a big get together of all the, all the cousins.
My, my mother's side of the family, my mother has 11 siblings.
Hmm.
So I've got like 30 something cousins just on her side.
Is this sort of like a pseudo family reunion type thing or.
Um, you know, we used to have a family reunion ish sort of thing.
It, um, it's been so long.
I can't remember what time of year it was.
Um, but it was like spring ish.
Yeah.
Um, but that kind of went away.
You know, I, I moved away to Colorado and didn't bother to show up for any of that.
Um, I used to get invited to go to my grandmother's grave on, I guess, our birthday, my grandma's
birthday.
And I just, I couldn't, I couldn't get down with that.
Um, well, I don't, I don't want to go get together at a, at a grave site.
I mean, um, and it's not that I'm creeped out.
It's just, what, what the fuck are we doing?
She's dead.
We could do this anywhere.
I haven't been to my mom's grave 2022, maybe something like that.
And, and I'm kind of like that.
I mean, and we, we, we buried her because, you know, she, she wanted to be buried, the whole
religious thing.
Dad was cremated.
And so his urn is in the casket with her.
And it literally says on her headstone, you know, it's her.
And then dad, there's, I forget exactly what we, what we did, but, but yeah, they're in the
same spot because dad wanted to be cremated.
He was like, you know, and I'm the same way.
I'm like, why, why, why use up this, this valuable real estate of land?
Yeah.
They don't make it anymore.
They don't, yeah.
They're, you know, not making it anymore.
And it's, it's, it's fucking ridiculous.
You know, when, when, when Jesus comes back, don't worry.
You're, you don't need your body.
That's what you believe.
You do not need your body.
But if you think you might, it's going to be worthless by then.
Yeah.
I mean.
It's not going to work.
Whether it's in ashes or whether it's deteriorated in the casket down to, you know, just skeletal
remains.
Yeah.
You know, if he's got that power to resurrect you, you're coming back regardless.
So you don't need to take up that space.
Save the, save the room.
Yeah.
Save, save that room.
But yeah, it's, I, you know, I never could get behind that.
It was like, I remember my mom and, because they're all buried out in the same place at
a cemetery in Mystic, Georgia.
And, you know, my mom would go out there and was like, oh, we need to, we need to clean around
the gravestones and the headstones and all of that and put flowers.
And I'm like, why, who are you talking to?
I don't know.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
And I mean, I don't want to sound like an asshole.
I mean, if that's what, if that's what made my mom feel better, fine.
I'm, I'm okay with that.
I, I abided by her wishes that she'd be, you know, buried.
She paid for her own casket.
She had a, uh, she had a policy.
She went ahead and prepaid everything, you know, so I didn't have to deal with any of
that other than the fact that the casket that she had picked out many years earlier, uh,
very much like Microsoft decided that, you know, that model was no longer available.
Oh yeah.
Discontinued.
It was discontinued.
So I had to go pick something that I thought would be comparable.
Hmm.
That is a weird thing.
Have you ever had to do that?
Probably not.
No.
Walk around a room that's just full of caskets and you're going, well, this is our premium
model.
And it's got, I mean, what it's, it's got wifi.
I mean, what?
Yeah.
They're like, you're selling you a fucking yacht.
Yeah.
You know, look, it's got a plush interior.
This is, is it's padded more.
And I'm like, I don't think they're going to complain about it being uncomfortable.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's so funny if people get so worked up about, would he like this?
It's like, fuck are you talking about?
He did.
Ask him, ask him, ask him five times.
He'll tell you the same thing.
What are you going to do?
Get out the Ouija board?
I mean, come on.
Yeah.
I don't know.
When my brother lost his son, he was cremated, but for the, the memorial, they had him in a
casket.
My brother said the casket rental was a thousand dollars.
That's just.
I don't know.
We cremate, like I said, we cremated dad and we, we didn't even have a service because
I was like, mom, it's already three grand to burn this body to ashes.
How much more do you want to come out of pocket?
Just so people can walk by and go.
Yeah.
Huh?
No, no, we're not.
I mean, I had a grave site, a grave side service for my mother.
Everybody gathered.
I did not let them open the casket because I was like, I said, because the way they, they
would have dolled her up in that, which I never saw.
I did that on purpose.
Yeah.
I was like, that's not my mom.
Yeah.
You don't want to remember them like that.
No.
And my mom didn't wear makeup anyway.
Religious thing.
Yeah.
It's, it's so ridiculous.
The, the things that we, that people, I don't know, little idiosyncrasies is, it's just so
weird to me.
The things we choose to imbue significance upon.
Yeah, I know.
I mean, I had to have an argument with them about, well, I mean, with members of the family,
my own, her own brother, my uncle about music.
And I was like, no, not doing music.
I asked my, my second cousin, who was basically my mom's caretaker for the last several years
of her life.
I said, what did mom say?
And I think I've probably mentioned this before, but mom, she said, your mother said she didn't
care because she was going to be up in heaven with the angels listening to the harp
anyway.
So it didn't matter what music was played.
I said, well, then we're not going to worry with music, are we?
Yeah.
Sounds legit.
Yeah.
I was like, okay.
Whatever reason you can find just means don't play music.
Yeah.
Don't play music.
I didn't like that.
I didn't like the asshole preacher that came and, but it's who my mom wanted.
So.
It's fun.
It's funny going to a funeral where there's, where the, the deceased never attended church.
Yeah.
And some pastor has to get up there and talk about it.
It's so like family members had to pass notes at friend of mine.
His dad died a few years ago and I went to the funeral and this, this guy didn't know what
to say.
But people passed him notes and they kind of went around before the service and just
like, you got anything I need to say?
But.
Yeah.
We're here to celebrate the life of, of, of, uh, John, Jimmy.
Yeah.
Jimmy, Jimmy John.
Okay.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
He was, uh, what'd you say?
Uh, I mean, at least the, I mean, the preacher that we did get mom requested and she did attend
the church and all, um, of course, like I said, where the cemetery is at is behind the
mystic Baptist church, which she did not attend, which is so wild to me, but it's like, this
is the, where the, the families were buried.
I don't know why.
I mean, what was so wild to me is I had to talk to the sheriff in, uh, Osella, Georgia
to get, and he had to check with somebody to okay me being able to put her there.
Hmm.
I was like, all right, whatever.
That's cool.
So, no, I don't think, I don't, if, if I had to make the decision for myself, I wouldn't
have a funeral.
You just burn me, put me in a fucking cereal box and.
Yep.
Throw it out on the way home.
Yeah.
And then, um, you know, everybody who knew me and might miss me, they can all get together,
build a fucking campfire and have, have stories.
That's about it.
You don't need this useless ass body here.
No, no, I'm, I'm going to be cremated or, I mean, now in Georgia, you can be composted.
So there's that.
Yeah.
You know, feed a tree.
Yeah.
I probably should have a tattoo somewhere.
It just says dispose of properly and promptly.
Right on your ass.
Oh, goodness.
Yeah.
There's no need for all that expense and everything.
Yeah.
But it's a, it's a business though.
It is.
And I don't fault the funeral home folks.
I mean, I mean, Paul Funeral Home over in Fitzgerald is one that handled dads and moms.
And I mean, they, they were fantastic.
I mean, they, they were.
And the funniest, the funniest thing was one of the, I don't know what you call them.
I don't know if they're considered ushers or whatever, but it was one guy, you got the head
guy.
And then you got another one that was helping with, with everything.
And I kept looking at him going, he's, damn, he's familiar.
And I think it was either right before the graveside service or right after he walked up
to me and he's like, Donovan, I am so sorry.
I did not realize who you were.
And I looked at him and I said, same.
I kept looking at you going, why does he look so damn familiar?
He was the father of my best friend that when I graduated high school, who is now the CEO
of, um, the Georgia, um, oh shit.
I just forgot the name of it.
What is the thing we have here locally?
You don't, oh, he's the CEO of the Georgia chamber of commerce.
Oh, Chris Clark.
Okay.
Yeah.
I know who he is.
Yeah.
So he and I were best friends through high school.
And, um, so yeah, his, it was his dad who used to work for, used to work for the telephone
company, I think they're in Fitzgerald retired from that.
But, and I, so I got Chris's number and he was like, he's like, yeah, don't tell him I
gave it to you, but he won't mind you giving him a call.
And I have yet to call that son of a bitch.
Mainly because I'm not sure.
I think he's changed a bit in his political affiliations and what have you going through
school.
He was definitely a Democrat.
And, uh, yeah, he seems more aligned with Republicans now.
So I don't, I don't know.
Just because he's wearing a different Jersey doesn't mean he's an asshole.
I mean, he seems, he seems like he's all right still.
Yeah.
Just from things I've seen and some of the stuff that he'll put out on LinkedIn.
He seems to, he seems to have embraced religion a little bit more than I thought he would have,
but whatever.
Well, nobody's perfect.
I'm going to become a preacher.
So we're all good.
I'm kidding.
The church of the flying spaghetti monster.
Exactly.
Some, some point in my life, I'm going to have to redefine what, how I classify myself.
Cause I'm not sure I will never in asterisks, I will never embrace the ideology of the bearded
man in the sky.
I just can't get behind that.
But I don't think that atheist really fits me anymore, but you know, it's like we talked
on the last episode.
It's, I, I, I do believe the universe is sentient, but it's so vast that we're like, we're like
ants under the boot hill.
So.
No, we're, we're microscopic to the ants.
Oh, well, yeah.
You know, in, in that scale of universe, it's, it's unfathomable.
Yeah.
I think you're right.
So I just want people to be nice to each other.
That's all.
Yeah.
You know, should we all just get along?
Yeah.
I was going to say, why can't we all just get along?
And I'm not making, I'm not making fun of Rodney King, but it was, yeah, that was, that
was atrocious what they did to him.
But.
Well, it was also atrocious what happened to the city of LA that year.
That's true.
Um, you know, it goes back to the rules you had to follow when you went to jury duty.
People are stupid.
That is true.
I don't like people.
I don't like people in large numbers.
Mm-mm.
Well, we, we developed this, um, mob mentality.
Yeah.
Uh, it doesn't matter what color your skin is.
It happens to us.
And it's, it's easy to get caught up in it, especially if you feel justified in what you're
doing.
You know, yeah, I'm not letting the, the January six rioters off the hook by any stretch of the
imagination, but I do believe just based on things that I've heard from some of them actually
talking about it.
I mean, there've been a handful of them that refuse Trump's pardon because they're like,
no, I did it.
I'm guilty.
And I was wrong.
But I think they got, they got caught up in that mob mentality of.
They felt that, that energy and that rush of we are justified.
We are doing what is right for this country.
And we're, when you stop and, you know, take a breath and you look at it, go, what are we
going to accomplish by breaking into the Capitol?
You know, if we could legitimately have gotten to our Congress people, what were we going to
do?
Were we literally going to hang them?
Cause they did have a mock noose and everything outside.
Were we literally going to kill people because of, you know, what we thought, what we were
told, what we were pushed to believe was a stolen election.
Yeah.
And you can get out of the fervor and get a clear head.
Yeah.
But, you know, if it had never happened, I mean, if it almost happened, but didn't,
I think the next day they would have looked back and said, holy shit, that would have been
stupid.
Yeah.
I'm glad we did do that.
But, but it happened.
Mm-hmm.
Cause people are stupid.
But did it, did it actually?
No, I'm kidding.
I'm as sure as we landed on the moon.
Me too.
As sure as I'm sitting here talking to you on this microphone.
and everything's being converted into packets and being recorded.
I'm sure there's time travel too.
You think so?
We're doing it right now.
We're, you got me.
You got me.
I don't even, I don't even know which one of these pads is the rim shot on this one.
I can't tell.
That one over there, the newer one, the Pro 2, it's on the, it's on the display.
This one, let's see.
What, what is this?
Oh, it's not even coming through.
Okay.
There it is.
Okay.
Need to queue that up next time.
Yeah.
Well, I got to remember which one it is.
It's a, it's a, it's harder to reprogram these than it is a new one.
So I guess I don't have anything.
Oh, okay.
That was a, that was, that was a piece I used to use.
Okay.
Nevermind.
Whatever.
No copyright violation.
That's a royalty free.
So, well, so what did we get done today?
Like during this recording session?
Like what did we accomplish?
Here's the, what I view this show from my perspective of we're at a virtual bar, not in drinking non, non-alcoholic virtual drinks and just shooting the shit.
So that's what we've accomplished.
Sounds good.
So what have you, what TV show you've been watching?
Um, a couple actually, but so tonight another episode of countdown is coming on, but we've started watching, um, have you heard of slow horses?
Oh, I love that show.
Okay.
So we watched the first season and we watched the first two episodes of the second season.
Yeah.
I think I've seen both seasons.
I think I got all that in before I canceled Apple, Apple TV.
I think it's got more than, doesn't it have more than two seasons?
Maybe by now, but I've seen at least two.
That was good.
I love that show.
Yeah.
It, uh, I could only do, I had to stop after the, uh, the, the two episodes of the second season last night.
I was like, okay, I need to, uh, I need to take a break.
Let's see.
Slow horses.
Gary Oldman.
I, man.
Oh, he's wonderful.
I have never seen him in like that.
That is, uh, uh, there's four seasons.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Oh, uh, there, I guess it's been greenlit for multiples because they finished up season four, October, October 9th of 2024.
But IMDb has got a fifth, sixth, and seventh season.
Fifth season is supposed to start September 24, 2025.
And of course, there's no date on the sixth season, just 2026.
Seventh season says 2027.
And that's an Apple TV original, isn't it?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
But it can be found.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
It can be found.
Yeah.
He's, I look at him in this and I'm like, okay, does he look the way he looks in this for the show?
Or has he, I mean, he has gotten older, but has he let himself literally go like that?
Has he gotten kind of fat?
I don't know.
They're probably paying him enough to.
I mean, it killed me.
The first scene, if you'll remember, he's laying on the bed and he wakes on the couch and he wakes himself up because he farts.
Yeah.
That was, that was the perfect introduction.
That set the tone for the show.
I was like, are you kidding me?
That, that, and he's always like three steps ahead.
You just never know it.
Yeah.
And he berates all of those people constantly.
I'm like, Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
It's good.
I was like, if I had a boss like him, I'm, I would have a decision to make, you know?
Yeah.
But yeah, it's, so that, that's the newest show that we've, we've started because, you know,
none of the, none of the shows that we, oh, we did get through, we did watch the first four episodes because of the way they've done it.
Season two of Wednesday, which is a Netflix original.
They're, they're doing their thing like they've been doing.
They, they split it into part one and part two.
So the first four episodes are classified as part one.
Those dropped.
And then part two, which I'm presuming would be the next four episodes, September 3rd, I believe.
Wednesday.
Is that about Wednesday Addams?
Yeah.
You've never seen it?
No.
I thought there was a movie in the past decade.
Well, you had the Addams Family movies back in the nineties.
That was that long ago?
Yeah.
Christina Ritchie played, played Wednesday, but no, this is a Jenna Ortega.
Tim Burton behind it, of course.
Yeah.
And so, um, the first season was in 2022.
And so they've just come out with season two.
And they say now that, uh, the time between, cause it is getting a third season, the time
between season two and season three should only be roughly about 18 months instead of practically
two and a half to three years.
Cause that is a common complaint that is starting to get that the people are starting.
It's like, I mean, look at stranger things.
Good God.
Is this still going?
The fifth and final season is supposed to air later this year.
And it has been three years, four years, something like that between season four and
season five.
People lose interest.
You know, but, uh, but yeah, um, Lee loves Wednesday and it has been a really good show.
Season one was fantastic.
And so far, first four episodes of season two have been great too.
Well, I turned on NPR, I don't know, a couple of months.
ago and they just happened to be talking about, uh, TV shows and I had seen the trailers for
the bear and I wasn't really that interested cause the trailer didn't really tell me what
the show was about, but that NPR, uh, segment mentioned the bear had gotten like, uh, really
good reviews and I think was nominated, uh, or maybe won some awards.
And I thought, okay, well, I'll look into that.
So I've been watching the bear.
It's about the restaurant business, right?
Yeah.
But it's fantastic.
It is so well produced.
I forget if the, the season one finale, I think the last 10 to 15 minutes of it is a single
take and it's incredible.
Um, I said Jeremy Allen White.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and he was good and shameless.
Yeah.
It's got him, Eben Moss, Bacharach, which I think is, he's the one that actually plays
Ben Grimm, um, the thing in the latest Fantastic Four movie.
Hmm.
Uh, but it's got Oliver Platt.
I like that.
He's hilarious.
I like Oliver Platt.
You ever watch Chicago Med?
No.
Yeah.
He's great in that.
You play a doctor in that?
He's a psychiatrist.
Mm.
Yeah.
He plays, um, I watched this, it went for two seasons and I loved it.
It was, uh, Hank Azaria and Oliver Platt and it's a show called Huff.
I vaguely remember that.
I can't, I've, I've been looking for season two forever.
Um, but Oliver Platt plays a, an attorney and his best friend is, uh, the lead character,
uh, who's a psychiatrist.
Oh God, that's a 2004 to 2006 series.
Yeah.
And I never got season two.
I can find it on DVD on eBay.
That's how elusive it is.
But I'd have to rewatch season one because it's been 20 years since I've seen it.
Oh yeah.
That's got Padgett Brewster in it from Criminal Minds.
Yeah.
Anton Yelchin, who unfortunately passed away because his, his Jeep ran over him.
He's the one that played Chekhov in the, uh, in the Star Trek, uh, Kelvin universe movies.
Yeah.
That escapes me.
Well, 2009.
Uh, when they did a re kind of a pseudo reboot of the Star Trek universe as far as the movies.
So yeah.
It was 26 episodes.
Um, but yeah, the, the bear is really good.
And I, I wonder if it's still in production.
There's only been four seasons that I know of.
Isn't that, that's an FX show, I believe.
It is.
Yeah.
We say just dropped alien earth, which I'm going to watch it.
It's the first alien universe television show.
And, uh, Timothy Oliphant is in it as a synth.
Got white hair.
So that's fun.
I'm looking forward to that.
Uh, it says it's okay.
So yeah, season, there's 39 episodes of the bear.
Uh, uh, they've got four seasons.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Last one aired, uh, in June of this year, season four, episode 10 titled goodbye.
Yeah.
I see it.
I've, I've seen it advertised.
I was like, I'm not sure if I'm, I want to get into that or not, but, uh, you know, we
may have to give it a, may have to give it a look, see, because like I said, uh, all of
the shows that we watch normally, like network shows, they don't all, none of those come back
until like the last of September, beginning of October, all the, well, they shit canned two
of the three FBI series.
So they're gone, but all the Chicago's are coming back.
Chicago Fire, PD, Med, um, things like that.
But, oh, Star Trek, Strange New World's been watching it.
Uh, they've been, it's on, uh, Paramount.
It's been, uh, this is the season three.
It's been good so far.
And we're four episodes in four or five.
So that's one, that's a, that's a real good.
Cause I mean, I'm a Trekkie.
I actually prefer Star Trek over Star Wars.
I'm one of those guys.
I don't shit on Star Wars.
I like Star Wars, but if I was given a choice, I'm going to go Star Trek over Star Wars.
Okay.
I'm going to probably choose neither.
I've, I've, I've watched enough of any of it to, to pick a side.
Yeah.
But I, I would imagine that Star Trek is a little more, uh, cognitively challenging.
And, you know, there's not as, there's not as much action, but there's, there's strategy and drama.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and less of that in Star Wars.
From, from what I've seen.
The way I've heard it characterized is Star Trek is science fiction.
Star Wars is science opera.
Mm-hmm.
Because there is more, um, technical and cognitive in Star Trek than there is in Star Wars.
But.
Yeah.
There was no teleportation in Star Wars that I know of.
No.
Mm-mm.
No, there was, um.
I mean, they both had gravity on spaceships, but.
True.
We haven't figured that out yet.
We haven't made it to Mars yet.
So.
So, it looks like there's going to be a season five premiere in 2026 of, uh, of the bear.
Mm-hmm.
So.
Cool.
Yep.
Might have to check it out.
Yeah, if you want to.
Is it on Netflix?
No, it's Hulu.
Hulu.
Oh.
Which I do get, because it's, it's, uh, part of my Disney Hulu package.
Oh.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you can go to my happy place and find it too, so.
Well, if you're interested in Strange New Worlds, you can go to my happy place too.
Uh, matter of fact, Wednesday, I'll have to double check, but I think first season and,
uh, the second one is also there.
If you get interested.
I would, I'd check out episode one, season one anyway.
You get a chance.
You know.
Okay.
If it floats your boat, blows up your skirt, whatever.
Oh, another one that I've been watching that is, uh, Apple TV.
Chief of War, Jason Momoa, based on historical events of the four nations of Hawaii back in
the 1700s, 1600s, 1700s, somewhere in there.
Hmm.
So far, it's been really good.
You have to be prepared to read because the first three episodes is predominantly in the
language.
native language, the native language, yeah.
So it's all subtitled, which I'm like, kudos to Jason Momoa and everybody that is just
rattling that shit off.
Yeah.
But it's been, it's been really good so far.
And he's an executive producer and a co-writer of the series.
Huh.
Uh, I read somewhere where it cost $340 million to make season one.
Yeah.
I'm like, damn.
Well, that's, that's Apple's money.
Yeah.
I've heard the Formula One movie is not going to really be profitable.
Really?
Yeah.
God damn it.
This thing's on do not disturb and I'm still getting.
You're being disturbed.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I was, I was seeing reports where they said that, that of course it's the first feature
film that Apple has been behind and that it did really well.
I'm sure it's done well, but they spent a lot of money on it.
Yeah.
And it's only done a little bit of that at the box office.
I think Jesus Christ.
I think the rule of thumb has become, it needs to make 1.5 its budget to break even, uh, any
movie now.
And that's because, I mean, if a movie costs $200 million to make, that's just to make it.
Then you've got to put on top of it the, probably 50 to a hundred million dollars that they do
in marketing.
Mm-hmm.
So one, 1.5 of the, uh, uh, of the budget to break even.
So if they can make.
They got to do a billion dollars or more.
Mm-hmm.
I don't think it's going to do that, but, but there's, there's a little bit of a rumor of,
uh, Formula One going to exclusively to Apple TV.
Well, it is available on Apple TV.
It did come out in theaters too, though.
No, I mean, Formula One broadcasting.
Oh, you've been broadcasting.
Oh.
Yeah, like the races, the whole season races and whatnot.
I forgot to mention on the last time, I, I do, I don't subscribe to a streaming service,
but I do, uh, pay for a Formula One subscription so I can watch the races.
Yeah, the, um, uh, the new Paramount, you know, the Skydance-Paramount merger, I saw where
they're, they're getting UFC.
So they're going to start, apparently they're going to start streaming UFC fights on Paramount.
It's just not attractive to me.
I don't like UFC.
I don't like boxing.
I don't like wrestling.
I mean, kudos to them.
I, they, they're fantastic athletes.
I've just, I don't, I'm not entertained by that.
Yeah.
I was actually surprised that, that Sam got into wrestling like he did.
Yeah.
And isn't that, he's into the bullshit wrestling.
Like my neighbor loves a wrestling.
Yeah.
But, um, I'm like, he, you can't find him on a Monday night.
Or a Friday night.
I mean, it's a, it's a grown man's soap opera is what it is.
Yeah.
It's always been that way.
Yeah.
It, it has.
It has.
I mean, it's, it's all scripted.
It, it's, it's theater.
And as long as you understand that and you still enjoy it, it's no different than sitting here
watching any of these shows that we've talked about.
Yeah.
You're probably right, but I'm not going to watch it over and over to keep up with the drama.
Yeah, me either.
So I did back in the nineties, it was something me and my cousin, Greg really got into a much
to the chagrin of my wife.
I mean, he would, he would actually videotape the, uh, some of the matches.
And then we would, um, I remember in the early nineties, there was this one night he
had one, he came over and we were watching it and Lee was making fun of what was happening
to the point where Greg just got pissed off.
He got up, he hit the stop button.
He had the eject button, took his tape, walked out of my fucking house, got in his vehicle
and went home.
Didn't say a word.
That sounds like something I would do.
I just looked at Lee and I went, well.
How do you like that?
I guess he didn't like you making fun of it.
And he would not, the next time we watched any kind of wrestling was, um, I think it
was 1990, 1998 star cage star something or another.
It was a WCW and, uh, he and I sat there, we watched the match.
Um, it was a match where I think Sting won the title.
He won the belt or whatever.
We were sitting there and we were drinking.
We went through a case of beer because we kept drinking after the thing was over, started
playing video games.
And I remember waking up the next morning going, I ain't doing that shit again.
And of course I didn't listen to myself.
Did it anyway.
But are we ready to wind down?
We've been going at about 90 minutes.
That'll do it.
And that'll do donkey.
That'll do.
Well, you know what?
You registered the domain.
I did.
I was wondering if we should open up shows with, uh, an email address.
I need to make one because it's what I was getting at.
Um, you know, cause I'm, I'm willing to bet that unless we're interesting enough for somebody
to finish a, an episode, they're never, they'll never hear about how to contact anything for
comments or whatnot.
Well, that does beg the question, uh, aside from the very first two episodes, which I think
we've agreed we're not publishing.
Yeah.
Um, from the third one forward, they've just been on the site.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
It's not being.
Yeah.
It's not registered in any of the podcast stuff.
It has not been cast to pods yet.
Yeah.
So I didn't know if you wanted, if we're there yet or.
I don't know.
How do you feel?
Do you think we're going to keep doing it?
I think so.
Okay.
I think so.
I think it's time.
Even if there's no point to it.
you know, we have a, this is our Wednesday night fellowship.
Yeah.
I mean, we could have called it the pointless podcast, but I mean, I like agenda fluid.
You came up with it.
I just happened to register the domain.
I thought we needed it.
Well, well, I can't create an email address.
That's all.
I, I, I, I will, I will, I will do that.
I'll either create one or I'll, I'll create an alias and have it forwarded to, let me see,
how do I want to do that?
I think I can host it.
Yeah.
Well, you got time after you start the recording.
Yeah.
I'll figure it out.
We'll figure it out.
Yeah.
So we've got to get away for somebody to go, this show sucks.
Mm-hmm.
Or, hey, why don't you talk about this?
Um, so yeah, we'll, we'll get that going.
I mean, if they drive up to agenda fluid.com, they can click on an episode and actually leave
comments there if they, but yeah, an email address is there.
I mean, if they feel strongly enough, I'm sure they'll do it.
Yeah.
I'm sure they will.
All right.
Well, that's, uh, been a good, good talk.
Yep.
That's a wrap.
We'll see you, everybody, in two weeks.
Yep.
All right.
Bye, everybody.